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This administration has zero ability to build or bring people together, able only to destroy what others have made. On the bright side, it isn't effective unti

This administration has zero ability to build or bring people together, able only to destroy what others have made. On the bright side, it isn't effective until December 31, 2026 so there is plenty of time to chicken out.

idontwantthis 1y ago
Evil cannot create it can only corrupt.
echelon 1y ago
> it isn't effective until December 31, 2026 so there is plenty of time to chicken out. That's within the current administration. Unless a change in congress can prevent this, it's a done deal.
- AnimalMuppet 1y ago
  Even if Congress changes hands in the 2026 election, they won't take office until early 2027.
- nozzlegear 1y ago
  I think they were alluding to Trump's now notorious penchant to flip flop and waffle on every decision he makes. It's why the TACO Trump meme sprang up and continues to be used in reference to him – Trump Always Chickens Out.
throw0101b 1y ago
> This administration has zero ability to build or bring people together […] Someone observed a lot of stuff that Trump is doing is through Executive Orders because he really can't do deals. Of course when (some of) his desires overlap with (some of) others', we get: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act which is mostly about implementing: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 > […] so there is plenty of time to chicken out. TACO: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Always_Chickens_Out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Always_Chickens_Out * https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/02/donald-trump-taco-trade-acronym-explained/83988040007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/02/dona... (Being reliant on TACO may backfire at some point.)
johndoe90 1y ago
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msgodel 1y ago
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CGMthrowaway 1y ago
Some history is called for here. The UNESCO issue extends far beyond Trump. Under the Obama administration, the US stopped financing UNESCO in 2011(!) after it voted to include Palestine as a member state that year. The Trump administration decided to withdraw fully from the agency in 2017. The Biden administration rejoined UNESCO in 2023 and agreed to pay it $600 million(!) in back dues. Now, the Trump administration is quitting it again.
- ajross 1y ago
  The 2011 thing keeps getting cited in this thread, but it's wrong. The funding was cut because of what amounts to a booby-trap condition in pre-existing legislation. And they tried to get it overturned by it was blocked in congress. In fact this is an almost perfectly partisan issue, and the 2011 canard is giving cover to some horrifying both-sidesism.
  - CGMthrowaway 1y ago
    That pre-existing legislation (which banned US financing of any UN agency that grants membership to Palestine) was signed by George HW Bush in 1990 and expanded by Bill Clinton in 1994, in both cases passed by Democrat-controlled Houses and Senates. So it's still "both-sidesism," whatever that is. And for what it's worth I never mentioned nor was thinking about "two sides," just multiple distinct administrations. Partisanship wearies me (and the parties have changed a lot over the last 20-30 years)
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- hightrix 1y ago
  Do you truly believe the US involvement in UNESCO was cruft? This is entirely because of Palestine.
  - CGMthrowaway 1y ago
    Isn't that a false dichotomy?
  - lupusreal 1y ago
    More accurately, it's because of Israel and the Israeli lobby in America. It isn't Palestine that's inducing America to leave UNESCO, it's Israel and Israel's supporters who are doing it, to protest UNESCO's recognition of Palestine.
    - DSingularity 1y ago
      The Israeli lobby is a proxy for American weapon manufacturers that found being in bed with savage Zionists good for business.
      - lupusreal 1y ago
        That's part of it, but a relatively small part of it. Most of it is Christians who think they can force apocalyptic prophecies to come true by ensuring Israel's continued existence. The nature of their belief is such that it doesn't matter how badly Israel behaves, they will unconditionally support them.
        DSingularity 1y ago
        I think hundreds of billions in dollars and unique testing bench for weapons development is a significant part. The fact that it has synergies with the American foreign policy for dominating the oil rich Middle East is also definitely another plus. It’s not just “oh the Israel lobby is strong”.
tmountain 1y ago
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- bm3719 1y ago
  Hegel, and later Sartre (but from a very different perspective), emphasized the importance of The Other, in the sense of the definition of the Self. In short, by defining the other, one demarcates the boundary of the self and defines ones identity. Self-identity necessitates the other, in its self-conception and interdependence of the latter's existence. To be reductionist, what does it even mean to be oneself if there is no other?
  - tmountain 1y ago
    Political othering is the process of emphasizing differences between groups in a way that creates an "us vs. them" mentality, often leading to prejudice and hostility. It involves constructing an out-group as fundamentally different and inferior, thereby reinforcing the identity and perceived superiority of the in-group. This process can manifest in various forms, including racism, sexism, and other forms of prejudice, and it often fuels social and political conflict.
BigJ1211 1y ago
Ironically the claim about corruption also applies to this admin. (See crypto scams for access to the president, and the Epstein files promises for well-known examples) I do agree with them that there is a 'rot' in these institutes. Though I don't know anything specific about the UNESCO that would warrant the withdrawal. For institutes like the UN and UNRWA it does ring true however. It is wild to see claims of genocide where there isn't one and zero claims or calls for arrest when clear unambiguous genocidal massacres start taking place. UNRWA funded and run schools having theater classes where the children role-play murdering Jews is absurd and shouldn't be happening. (To name an example from before the 7th) The UN should be setting a singular standard and holding everyone to account roughly equally. Not this clear and open corruption of its proclaimed principles. Whether it's in the main body or it's subsidiaries. The current media and political landscape is a joke, there don't seem to be any standards. Frankly the future looks rather bleak. I really hope we can find to way back to 'common sense'. Good journalism, holding politicians to account and treating everyone equally, holding them to the same standards.
ilaksh 1y ago
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jpadkins 1y ago
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idontwantthis 1y ago

Evil cannot create it can only corrupt.

echelon 1y ago

> it isn't effective until December 31, 2026 so there is plenty of time to chicken out. That's within the current administration. Unless a change in congress can prevent this, it's a done deal.

AnimalMuppet 1y ago
Even if Congress changes hands in the 2026 election, they won't take office until early 2027.
nozzlegear 1y ago
I think they were alluding to Trump's now notorious penchant to flip flop and waffle on every decision he makes. It's why the TACO Trump meme sprang up and continues to be used in reference to him – Trump Always Chickens Out.

throw0101b 1y ago

> This administration has zero ability to build or bring people together […] Someone observed a lot of stuff that Trump is doing is through Executive Orders because he really can't do deals. Of course when (some of) his desires overlap with (some of) others', we get: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act which is mostly about implementing: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 > […] so there is plenty of time to chicken out. TACO: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Always_Chickens_Out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Always_Chickens_Out * https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/02/donald-trump-taco-trade-acronym-explained/83988040007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/02/dona... (Being reliant on TACO may backfire at some point.)

johndoe90 1y ago

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msgodel 1y ago

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CGMthrowaway 1y ago

Some history is called for here. The UNESCO issue extends far beyond Trump. Under the Obama administration, the US stopped financing UNESCO in 2011(!) after it voted to include Palestine as a member state that year. The Trump administration decided to withdraw fully from the agency in 2017. The Biden administration rejoined UNESCO in 2023 and agreed to pay it $600 million(!) in back dues. Now, the Trump administration is quitting it again.

ajross 1y ago
The 2011 thing keeps getting cited in this thread, but it's wrong. The funding was cut because of what amounts to a booby-trap condition in pre-existing legislation. And they tried to get it overturned by it was blocked in congress. In fact this is an almost perfectly partisan issue, and the 2011 canard is giving cover to some horrifying both-sidesism.
- CGMthrowaway 1y ago
  That pre-existing legislation (which banned US financing of any UN agency that grants membership to Palestine) was signed by George HW Bush in 1990 and expanded by Bill Clinton in 1994, in both cases passed by Democrat-controlled Houses and Senates. So it's still "both-sidesism," whatever that is. And for what it's worth I never mentioned nor was thinking about "two sides," just multiple distinct administrations. Partisanship wearies me (and the parties have changed a lot over the last 20-30 years)
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orblivion 1y ago

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hightrix 1y ago
Do you truly believe the US involvement in UNESCO was cruft? This is entirely because of Palestine.
- CGMthrowaway 1y ago
  Isn't that a false dichotomy?
- lupusreal 1y ago
  More accurately, it's because of Israel and the Israeli lobby in America. It isn't Palestine that's inducing America to leave UNESCO, it's Israel and Israel's supporters who are doing it, to protest UNESCO's recognition of Palestine.
  - DSingularity 1y ago
    The Israeli lobby is a proxy for American weapon manufacturers that found being in bed with savage Zionists good for business.
    - lupusreal 1y ago
      That's part of it, but a relatively small part of it. Most of it is Christians who think they can force apocalyptic prophecies to come true by ensuring Israel's continued existence. The nature of their belief is such that it doesn't matter how badly Israel behaves, they will unconditionally support them.
      - DSingularity 1y ago
        I think hundreds of billions in dollars and unique testing bench for weapons development is a significant part. The fact that it has synergies with the American foreign policy for dominating the oil rich Middle East is also definitely another plus. It’s not just “oh the Israel lobby is strong”.

tmountain 1y ago

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bm3719 1y ago
Hegel, and later Sartre (but from a very different perspective), emphasized the importance of The Other, in the sense of the definition of the Self. In short, by defining the other, one demarcates the boundary of the self and defines ones identity. Self-identity necessitates the other, in its self-conception and interdependence of the latter's existence. To be reductionist, what does it even mean to be oneself if there is no other?
- tmountain 1y ago
  Political othering is the process of emphasizing differences between groups in a way that creates an "us vs. them" mentality, often leading to prejudice and hostility. It involves constructing an out-group as fundamentally different and inferior, thereby reinforcing the identity and perceived superiority of the in-group. This process can manifest in various forms, including racism, sexism, and other forms of prejudice, and it often fuels social and political conflict.

BigJ1211 1y ago

Ironically the claim about corruption also applies to this admin. (See crypto scams for access to the president, and the Epstein files promises for well-known examples) I do agree with them that there is a 'rot' in these institutes. Though I don't know anything specific about the UNESCO that would warrant the withdrawal. For institutes like the UN and UNRWA it does ring true however. It is wild to see claims of genocide where there isn't one and zero claims or calls for arrest when clear unambiguous genocidal massacres start taking place. UNRWA funded and run schools having theater classes where the children role-play murdering Jews is absurd and shouldn't be happening. (To name an example from before the 7th) The UN should be setting a singular standard and holding everyone to account roughly equally. Not this clear and open corruption of its proclaimed principles. Whether it's in the main body or it's subsidiaries. The current media and political landscape is a joke, there don't seem to be any standards. Frankly the future looks rather bleak. I really hope we can find to way back to 'common sense'. Good journalism, holding politicians to account and treating everyone equally, holding them to the same standards.

ilaksh 1y ago

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jpadkins 1y ago

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