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FDA Authorizes Juul E-Cigarettes
- draw_down 1y ago[dead]
- whycome 1y ago> ~ Original and Menthol I'll never understand why adults partaking in a particular vice can't enjoy different flavours (unless the vice is alcohol).
- kevin_thibedeau 1y agoThe candy flavors were marketed to children.
- chucksta 1y agoWho is 99 banana's and maddog 20/20 marketed to?
- esseph 1y agoPlease tell me who MD 20/20 is marketing to, I would love to know.
- chucksta 1y agoI don't know. But they clearly don't have a lot of money, a refined pallet, and don't mind crazy flavors. Everyone I know seemed to have tried it in a particular time in their lives, and oddly they don't seem to drink it anymore.
- hellotomyrars 1y agoTo be fair 99 Bananas still tastes like ass with a hint of incredible artificial banana. Also the cultural aspect is just different. It is generally harder for kids to get alcohol in my experience and also you (usually) don’t carry a bottle of 99 bananas and swig it every few minutes out in public. Perhaps most importantly is that alcohol doesn’t contain nicotine. People get addicted to alcohol but not in the same way people get addicted to nicotine.
- whycome 1y agoban the marketing to children. or limit the ads to in between all the ads for the different betting platforms.
- LeifCarrotson 1y agoRegulators have no control over who looks at a given billboard or television ad. It's a new phenomenon that they might (might) be able to tell TikTok or Youtube to estimate the age of individual viewers and limit which topics can appear in advertisements to different age groups. The existence of the candy flavors and any public marketing of those flavors (even on the label in the store aisle) is implicitly marketing to children.
- kevin_thibedeau 1y agoThey were banned before vapes existed. That's why the cartoon characters are gone. They still intentionally made it appealing to children.
- doctorpangloss 1y agoAlcohol is no exception, Fourloco was banned!
- jjice 1y agoI believe that was for the high alcohol content mixed with the high caffeine content
- doctorpangloss 1y agothe point is that as far as they are permitted to be sold and consumed with regulations for largely cultural reasons, alcohol and tobacco are both subject to cultural (fluid) regulations, and inconsistencies between them are a matter of the speed and power of diffuse cultural forces, not some sort of big conspiracy against libertarians
- chucksta 1y agoIts still for sale, just without caffeine
- Freak_NL 1y agoDo you mean why vapes aren't allowed to be sold in exciting flavours in a lot of countries? Because what happened there was that 'strawberry kiwi', 'banana ice', and 'miami mint', and whatever fruity flavour in a colourful package you can come up with, turned vaping from something adults did to quit smoking tobacco into the biggest hype amongst teenagers since fidget spinners. Only they get addicted to nicotine as a bonus, and switch to 'proper' tobacco in their senior years. Even with a complete ban on those the damage is done, and all across the globe society is now dealing with a huge profitable underground Snapchat-enabled market geared solely at selling the equivalent of a pack-a-day habit in nicotine to kids. (The ban helps to gradually denormalise vaping again, so it is good to have in place.)
- skybrian 1y agoInteresting, what evidence is there that people switch from e-cigarettes to tobacco? I hadn’t heard of that before.
- silverquiet 1y agoEvery single person I've known who switched from tobacco to e-cigarettes has switched back to tobacco. They all say it's better for one reason or another.
- meepmorp 1y agoFormer smokers switching back is one thing, but how often do people start out with vaping and then move to smoking tobacco?
- whycome 1y agoThat's switching 'back'. People that want vapes/ecigarettes want them for specific reasons and smoked tobacco has way too many other problems.
- UncleEntity 1y agoYou don't know me but... I switched to vaping, IDK, 10 or so years ago from an off and (mostly) on cigarette habit and haven't looked back. There was a point where I was spending more on 'cheap' Chinese vape gear than I was on cigarettes but, other than that, no regrets. And, yes, I'm a middle-aged adult who likes to vape flavors a well. Perhaps the only downside, if you can even call it that, is I never tried to quit vaping as I enjoy it and it (probably) won't kill me before the lingering effects of a couple decades of smoking, environmental hazards of invading Iraq twice, the skin cancer and whatever else comes up due to my general lack of concern over living a healthy lifestyle.
- evanjrowley 1y agoVarious U.S. institutions of authority took the position that flavors were not for adults, but instead, a strategy to attract minors. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/e-cigarettes/why-youth-vape.html https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/e-cigarettes/why-youth-vape.html https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/ctp-newsroom/misleadingly-labeled-e-liquids-appeal-youth https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/ctp-newsroom/misleading... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6663555/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6663555/ https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2018/05/ftc-fda-take-action-against-companies-marketing-e-liquids-resemble-childrens-juice-boxes-candies https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2018/05/... https://www.drugs.com/news/study-finds-powerful-sweetener-vapes-marketed-teens-125222.html https://www.drugs.com/news/study-finds-powerful-sweetener-va...
- nashashmi 1y agoAnd https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/menthol-tobacco/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/menthol-tobacco/index.html
- 827a 1y agoNo, they took the stance that this crusade against good flavors should specifically and only apply to Juul. Maybe deservedly given Juul's behavior in marketing to teenagers. Today, you can go to gas stations in most states and buy Cherry Ice Lemonade Cotton Candy Mr Fog vapes, or Geekbars, or whatever brand shipped straight from China is popular this month. To be honest, even if Juul were allowed to bring Mango back, I'm not sure anyone would buy it; compared to the actual desserts you can smoke today, Juul Mango doesn't hold a candle. In other words: Our government utterly decimated an American company just to make room in the market for Chinese competitors to dominate.
- evanjrowley 1y agoWould this not be due to the unfortunate reality that litigation and enforcement can be carried out against domestic companies more effectively than foreign ones?
- dmix 1y ago
- Barrin92 1y ago>unless the vice is alcohol there is no exception to alcohol for this. Anybody who was a teenager or older in the aughts remembers "alcopops" (might have had a different name depending on where you're from). Lots of countries regulated or raised taxes on mixed drinks because they were seen (probably justifiably so) as targeting teenagers. In Germany it resulted in Smirnoff Ice and some Bacardi mix drink largely going off the shelves.
- LeifCarrotson 1y agoRules around fruity flavors (trying to target sales that disproportionately go to kids) are one thing. Rules around menthol are another, only slightly less heinous thing. About 85% of African Americans who smoke use menthol cigarettes, compared to a rate of less than 30% menthol use among white Americans. [1] They're disproportionately advertised and were (in the past) literally given away in poor Black communities to get people addicted. Basically, policy makers can target their regulations to a specific group by specifying flavor. Sure, an individual white adult might like fruity flavors or menthols, a black adult might like originals, and some kids might prefer original or menthols, but there's a strong statistical bias. When health departments are trying to address a particular health concern - say, young children smoking - they can do so by targeting fruity flavors. Conversely, when tobacco company marketing departments are trying to advertise their products to Black users without drawing unwanted attention from disproportionately white regulators, they can achieve their goals by promoting menthols. An individual from any population might have any flavor preference, but the dice are shockingly heavily weighted when you're looking at large groups. [1]: https://datatools.samhsa.gov/das/nsduh/2019/nsduh-2019-ds0001/crosstab?column=NEWRACE2&control=CATAGE_RECODE&filter=CIG30MEN!%3D91%2C93%2C94%2C97%2C98%26CATAGE_RECODE%3DRecoded_New_Category_adult&recodes=CATAGE_RECODE%7C1%3DRecoded_New_Category_youth%262%3DRecoded_New_Category_adult%263%3DRecoded_New_Category_adult%264%3DRecoded_New_Category_adult&results_received=true&row=CIG30MEN&run_chisq=false&weight=ANALWT_C https://datatools.samhsa.gov/das/nsduh/2019/nsduh-2019-ds000...
- jajuuka 1y agoBecause of the belief that making them desirable to adults is a method to sell them to kids. It also makes them less desirable which keeps cigarette sales up. Tobacco lobby is still going strong with its influence.
- ct0 1y agohttps://archive.is/d3P2O https://archive.is/d3P2O
- nashashmi 1y agoProbably a better link: https://www.axios.com/2025/07/17/juul-vaping-e-cigarettes-fda https://www.axios.com/2025/07/17/juul-vaping-e-cigarettes-fd...
- malfist 1y agoI'm sure loosening restrictions is all part of the Make America Healthy Again plan, right?
- nashashmi 1y agoRestrictions placed by govt is not a part of MAHA, and is anti MAGA.
- bigyabai 1y agoIf the federal government can't implement and enforce restrictions then it has no authority at all. Why do you think we have tariffs?
- nashashmi 1y agoIt is not so much about what the govt can’t do. It is more about what it should not do. It is the philosophy of govt that is in the MAGA political discourse. I am not of the opinion that govt should not be placing restrictions. That is literally the definition of laws. I am of the opinion that govt should not regulate how someone can do something. Loosening a ban on menthol, not because it was harmful, but because it was causing addictions, was an overreach. It should have banned the Tobacco and nicotine instead.
- bigyabai 1y agoThere is no consistent agreement about what the government can or cannot do within MAGA. That's why it's not a framework for global discourse. It is a joke even within conservative circles. "Let me control my own health" up until abortion is mentioned. "We need better surveillance measures" up until that surveillance is used against them. "Law enforcement needs more privileges" until they harass your daughter with the bodycam turned off. "Don't regulate Apple/Google" up until they become politicized and collude with the government for warrantless surveillance. "Foreign policy is too globalist!" up until Israel insists Iran has a nuke. And so on. There isn't a single neocon value that can't be forsaken by ideologues, I challenge you to name just one.
- bgwalter 1y agoIt is already known that E-Cigarettes cause lung damage: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/what-does-vaping-do-to-your-lungs https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-preventi... On the rare occasions of exposure by a user exhaling in public next to me I found it worse than passively inhaling cigarette smoke.
- heckintime 1y agoSeems like Zyn is better for you and others.
- oasisbob 1y ago... except the increasing numbers of young children who ingest them.
- 827a 1y agoKids also regularly ingest large volumes of flinstone multivitamins and melatonin gummies. Does that change your position on the health and safety of these supplements? Should our nanny-state ban those too? I'll stop you right there, because I know what you're thinking, and nope: Zyn containers already have a child safety lock on them. Its the bane of existence for the adults who buy them, you can ask any of them, but they already have that.
- oasisbob 1y agoI never advocated for a ban, and frankly don't see the relation between kids vitamins and nicotine ingestions Regardless of the purported child safety lock on Zyn, child nicotine poisonings are up dramatically according to recent research: https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1090659 https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1090659
- 827a 1y agoThe reality is, anyone who has suggested that a ban on highly-appetizing flavors of nicotine pouches would be an effective deterrent to accidental underage consumption, has very clearly never tasted any of these products. Many of the candy and fruit-flavored vapes are legitimately delicious tasting, through and through. The same is not as correct for nicotine pouches. These flavors only barely cover up what is best described as a highly-chemical, astringent, punch to the mouth, vomit inducing taste much akin to chlorinated pool water. They are not candy. They don't taste like candy. They are not sold in containers that look like candy. Why are rates up? Because these products have become significantly more popular! Zyn sales have gone up by bonkers numbers basically every year for the past decade [1]. Any report that suggests accidental consumption is up should be met with a "great job sherlock, really putting that government pork funding to work", because even intentional consumption is up. In fact, statements like the following from your link should raise even further questions about the efficacy of their findings: > Nicotine pouches were also more likely to be associated with serious medical outcomes or hospital admissions than other nicotine products like gum/lozenges, e-liquids, powder/granules, and tablets/capsules/caplets. What is "nicotine powder, granules, tablets, capsules, caplets"? That's nothing. There is no such thing as population-level consumption of "nicotine powder". No one buys that. No one uses it. They're clearly just making stuff up to scare people. Even an assertion that medical outcomes from the consumption of nicotine pouches are worse than e.g. lozenges or e-liquids is extremely suspect, from a first principals perspective. Many popular e-liquids, such as Juul, contains as much as 5mg of nicotine per milliliter; and because its a liquid, its extremely bio-available, it gets absorbed through every mucousal membrane that liquid touches, and anyone who has touched vape eliquid can attest that the smell takes days to wash off once it touches your skin. Bad article, bad research, I don't believe a word it purports to be true. [1] https://fortune.com/article/philip-morris-economic-volatility-zyn-sales-earnings/ https://fortune.com/article/philip-morris-economic-volatilit...
- jjice 1y agoLet me preface by saying that I'm not a fan of the evolution of e-cigs since they ended up being more of an entry point than a transition out of nicotine. Probably half of my friends started by vaping and moved to cigarettes. That said, tons of other vapes are allowed on the market, so why should Juul specifically be banned?
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juul#US_Food_and_Drug_Administration_investigations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juul#US_Food_and_Drug_Administ...
- jjice 1y agoAh, marketing and design. That's fair. I appreciate the link.
- jajuuka 1y agoJuul was particularly problematic for marketing designs they made. However it's not an unforgivable sin. Just needed a corrective action. Which threatening to shut them down seems to have done.
- paulddraper 1y agoBizarre that we even have an FDA. Tobacco products are insanely harmful. Alcohol kills hundreds of thousands a year in the US. But heaven forbid you flavor your nicotine. What is the actual criteria for FDA approval?
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- jasonthorsness 1y agoTargeting kids and teens with addictive substances (actually targeting anyone with addictive substances) is normalized evil. Also, addictive experiences (shorts...). Normally I lean libertarian but there has to be some allowance/mechanism for defending people from predatory corporations. Vaping was absolutely a huge problem in schools; legally "intentional" or not it was somehow getting picked up by kids.
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- jajuuka 1y agoTeen vaping has been decreasing. And the solution to that problem is ban vaping. When teen drinking was a huge problem we didn't ban alcohol.
- jasonthorsness 1y agoIt is declining after shooting to like 20% of high school students a few years ago it was insane. I don't think bans are the solution either, but I do think it's fair to restrict advertising/promoting. Parents should have assistance to protect their kids from marketers who believe it's net bad for the users but market it anyway because it's their job, or addicts who evangelize it out of cope/excuse for their own addiction.
- jajuuka 1y agoWe already have restrictions on advertising and promotions. What assistance do parents need to monitor what media and information their kids have access to?
- xnx 1y agoIn some objective analysis I wouldn't be surprised if drinking a bottle of Coke daily is worse than vaping once daily, even for teens.
- consp 1y agoSugar is bad, but not that addictive and has no withdraw symptoms. Nicotine is highly addictive and bad for you health. You pretty much have a customer for life ... which is the point. So next to having something which is bad for you, inhaling glycerol, combined with a substance which is addictive and bad for your health, you also are at a financial loss for life. And it's targeted at teens ...
- exolymph 1y agoAbsurd comparison. Nobody vapes once daily. (I think vaping should be legal, fwiw.)
- downrightmike 1y agoWatch the documentary on Netflix, it is wild to see people start with noble intentions and then little by little, money absolutely corrupts everyone at Juul. Sick, sad and they make up so many excuses to try and project that they have some moral character. They aren't really trying to convince us of that, they are trying to convince themselves of it.
- gizmov21 1y agoI dunno about that. Pretty much everyone from day 1 only cared about making money.
- downrightmike 1y agoAnd the get more and more desperate to cover their actions
- morninglight 1y agoMy neighbor has two kids. One kid has asthma and uses an albuterol inhaler. The inhaler requires a doctor's prescription and is expensive. The other kid vapes e-cigarettes. Vaping solution is cheaper and readily available. Perhaps albuterol is a dangerous, addictive substance?????