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It's a lot more nuanced than that. If you use the free edition of Code Assist, your data can be used UNLESS you opt out, which is at the bottom of the support

It's a lot more nuanced than that. If you use the free edition of Code Assist, your data can be used UNLESS you opt out, which is at the bottom of the support article you link to: "If you don't want this data used to improve Google's machine learning models, you can opt out by following the steps in Set up Gemini Code Assist for individuals." and then the link: https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/set-up-gemini#read-privacy-notice https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/set-up... If you pay for code assist, no data is used to improve. If you use a Gemini API key on a pay as you go account instead, it doesn't get used to improve. It's just if you're using a non-paid, consumer account and you didn't opt out. That seems different than what you described.

ipsum2 1y ago
Sorry, that's not correct. Did you check out the link? It doesn't describe the CLI, only the IDE. "You can find the Gemini Code Assist for individuals privacy notice and settings in two ways: - VS Code - IntelliJ "
- tiahura 1y ago
  As a lawyer, I'm confused. I guess the key question is whether the Gemini CLI, when used with a personal Google account, is governed by the broader Gemini Apps privacy settings here? https://myactivity.google.com/product/gemini?pli=1 https://myactivity.google.com/product/gemini?pli=1 If so, it appears it can be turned off. However, my CLI activity isn't showing up there? Can someone from Google clarify?
  - mattzito 1y ago
    I am very much not a lawyer, and while I work for Google, I do not work on this, and this is just my plain language reading of the docs. When you look at the github repo for the gemini CLI: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/tree/main https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/tree/main At the bottom it specifies that the terms of service are dependent on the underlying mechanism that the user chooses to use to fulfill the requests. You can use code assist, gemini API, or Vertex AI. My layperson's perspective is that it's positioned as a wrapper around another service, whose terms you already have accepted/enabled. I would imagine that is separate from the Gemini app, the settings for which you linked to. Looking at my own settings, my searches on the gemini app appear, but none of my gemini API queries appear.
    - tiahura 1y ago
      Thanks for trying to clarify. However, as others pointed out, that link take you to here: https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/resources/privacy-notice-gemini-code-assist-individuals https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/resources/p... Which, at the bottom says: "If you don't want this data used to improve Google's machine learning models, you can opt out by following the steps in Set up Gemini Code Assist for individuals." and links to https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/set-up-gemini#read-privacy-notice https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/set-up.... That page says "You'll also see a link to the Gemini Code Assist for individuals privacy notice and privacy settings. This link opens a page where you can choose to opt out of allowing Google to use your data to develop and improve Google's machine learning models. These privacy settings are stored at the IDE level." The issue is that there is no IDE, this is the CLI and no such menu options exist.
      - fhinkel 1y ago
        It applies to Gemini CLI too. We've tried to clear up our docs, apologies for the confusion. https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/tos-privacy.md https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/t...
        tiahura 1y ago
        Thanks, however I'm not sure I've got it. Are you saying the Gemini Apps Activity switch controls? Or, that if I download VS Code or Intelli J and make the change, it applies to the CLI? https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/set-up-gemini#read-privacy-notice https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/set-up... says "These privacy settings are stored at the IDE level."
- mattzito 1y ago
  That's because it's a bit of a nesting doll situation. As you can see here: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/tree/main https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/tree/main If you scroll to the bottom, it says that the terms of service are governed based on the mechanism by which you access Gemini. If you access via code assist (which the OP posted), you abide by those privacy terms of code assist, one of the ways of which you access is VScode. If you access via the Gemini API, then those terms apply. So the gemini CLI (as I understand it) doesn't have their own privacy terms, because it's an open source shell on top of another Gemini system, which could have one of a few different privacy policies based on how you choose to use it and your account settings. (Note: I work for google, but not on this, this is just my plain reading of the documentation)
  - ipsum2 1y ago
    My understanding is that they have not implemented an opt-out feature for Gemini CLI, like they've done for VSCode and Jetbrains.
    - fhinkel 1y ago
      We have! Sorry our docs were confusing! We tried to clear things up https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/tos-privacy.md https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/t...
- fhinkel 1y ago
  Sorry our docs were confusing! We tried to clear things up: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/tos-privacy.md https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/t...
  - olejorgenb 1y ago
    "1. Is my code, including prompts and answers, used to train Google's models? This depends entirely on the type of auth method you use. Auth method 1: Yes. When you use your personal Google account, the Gemini Code Assist Privacy Notice for Individuals applies. Under this notice, your prompts, answers, and related code are collected and may be used to improve Google's products, which includes model training." The opt out appear to be about other type of stats, no?
  - dinvlad 1y ago
    Thanks a lot for clarifying in plain language! Makes sense re basically anything paid is NOT used for training, free - does. Off-topic, but I wish this kind of plain language doc existed for Google One vs Google Workspace as well.
foob 1y ago
your data can be used UNLESS you opt out It's even more nuanced than that. Google recently testified in court that they still train on user data after users opt out from training [1]. The loophole is that the opt-out only applies to one organization within Google, but other organizations are still free to train on the data. They may or may not have cleaned up their act given that they're under active investigation, but their recent actions haven't exactly earned them the benefit of the doubt on this topic. [1] https://www.business-standard.com/technology/tech-news/google-can-train-search-ai-on-web-content-even-if-publishers-opt-out-125050400050_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/technology/tech-news/googl...
- TrainedMonkey 1y ago
  Another dimension here is that any "we don't train on your data" is useless without a matching data retention policy which deletes your data. Case and point of 23andMe not selling your data until they decided to change that policy.
  - decimalenough 1y ago
    Google offers a user-configurable retention policy for all data. https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/10549751 https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/10549751 That said, once your data is inside an LLM, you can't really unscramble the omelette.
    - elictronic 1y ago
      Lawsuits and laws seem to work just fine at unscrambling. Once a company has a fiscal interest they seem to change very quickly.
  - Arisaka1 1y ago
    I'll go ahead and say that, even if there was a method that deletes your data when you request it, nothing stops them from using that data to train the model up until that point, which is "good enough" for them.
  - 1y ago
aflukasz 1y ago
> It's a lot more nuanced than that. If you use the free edition of Code Assist, your data can be used UNLESS you opt out, Well... you are sending your data to a remote location that is not yours.
andrepd 1y ago
Yes, I'm right about to trust Google to do what they pinky swear. EDIT: Lmao, case in point, two sibling comments pointing out that Google does indeed do this anyway via some loophole; also they can just retain the data and change the policy unilaterally in the future. If you want privacy do it local with Free software.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 1y ago
  Do you have recommendations? I have ollama but it doesn't have built in tool support

ipsum2 1y ago

Sorry, that's not correct. Did you check out the link? It doesn't describe the CLI, only the IDE. "You can find the Gemini Code Assist for individuals privacy notice and settings in two ways: - VS Code - IntelliJ "

tiahura 1y ago
As a lawyer, I'm confused. I guess the key question is whether the Gemini CLI, when used with a personal Google account, is governed by the broader Gemini Apps privacy settings here? https://myactivity.google.com/product/gemini?pli=1 https://myactivity.google.com/product/gemini?pli=1 If so, it appears it can be turned off. However, my CLI activity isn't showing up there? Can someone from Google clarify?
- mattzito 1y ago
  I am very much not a lawyer, and while I work for Google, I do not work on this, and this is just my plain language reading of the docs. When you look at the github repo for the gemini CLI: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/tree/main https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/tree/main At the bottom it specifies that the terms of service are dependent on the underlying mechanism that the user chooses to use to fulfill the requests. You can use code assist, gemini API, or Vertex AI. My layperson's perspective is that it's positioned as a wrapper around another service, whose terms you already have accepted/enabled. I would imagine that is separate from the Gemini app, the settings for which you linked to. Looking at my own settings, my searches on the gemini app appear, but none of my gemini API queries appear.
  - tiahura 1y ago
    Thanks for trying to clarify. However, as others pointed out, that link take you to here: https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/resources/privacy-notice-gemini-code-assist-individuals https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/resources/p... Which, at the bottom says: "If you don't want this data used to improve Google's machine learning models, you can opt out by following the steps in Set up Gemini Code Assist for individuals." and links to https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/set-up-gemini#read-privacy-notice https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/set-up.... That page says "You'll also see a link to the Gemini Code Assist for individuals privacy notice and privacy settings. This link opens a page where you can choose to opt out of allowing Google to use your data to develop and improve Google's machine learning models. These privacy settings are stored at the IDE level." The issue is that there is no IDE, this is the CLI and no such menu options exist.
    - fhinkel 1y ago
      It applies to Gemini CLI too. We've tried to clear up our docs, apologies for the confusion. https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/tos-privacy.md https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/t...
      - tiahura 1y ago
        Thanks, however I'm not sure I've got it. Are you saying the Gemini Apps Activity switch controls? Or, that if I download VS Code or Intelli J and make the change, it applies to the CLI? https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/set-up-gemini#read-privacy-notice https://developers.google.com/gemini-code-assist/docs/set-up... says "These privacy settings are stored at the IDE level."
mattzito 1y ago
That's because it's a bit of a nesting doll situation. As you can see here: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/tree/main https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/tree/main If you scroll to the bottom, it says that the terms of service are governed based on the mechanism by which you access Gemini. If you access via code assist (which the OP posted), you abide by those privacy terms of code assist, one of the ways of which you access is VScode. If you access via the Gemini API, then those terms apply. So the gemini CLI (as I understand it) doesn't have their own privacy terms, because it's an open source shell on top of another Gemini system, which could have one of a few different privacy policies based on how you choose to use it and your account settings. (Note: I work for google, but not on this, this is just my plain reading of the documentation)
- ipsum2 1y ago
  My understanding is that they have not implemented an opt-out feature for Gemini CLI, like they've done for VSCode and Jetbrains.
  - fhinkel 1y ago
    We have! Sorry our docs were confusing! We tried to clear things up https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/tos-privacy.md https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/t...
fhinkel 1y ago
Sorry our docs were confusing! We tried to clear things up: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/tos-privacy.md https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/blob/main/docs/t...
- olejorgenb 1y ago
  "1. Is my code, including prompts and answers, used to train Google's models? This depends entirely on the type of auth method you use. Auth method 1: Yes. When you use your personal Google account, the Gemini Code Assist Privacy Notice for Individuals applies. Under this notice, your prompts, answers, and related code are collected and may be used to improve Google's products, which includes model training." The opt out appear to be about other type of stats, no?
- dinvlad 1y ago
  Thanks a lot for clarifying in plain language! Makes sense re basically anything paid is NOT used for training, free - does. Off-topic, but I wish this kind of plain language doc existed for Google One vs Google Workspace as well.

foob 1y ago

your data can be used UNLESS you opt out It's even more nuanced than that. Google recently testified in court that they still train on user data after users opt out from training [1]. The loophole is that the opt-out only applies to one organization within Google, but other organizations are still free to train on the data. They may or may not have cleaned up their act given that they're under active investigation, but their recent actions haven't exactly earned them the benefit of the doubt on this topic. [1] https://www.business-standard.com/technology/tech-news/google-can-train-search-ai-on-web-content-even-if-publishers-opt-out-125050400050_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/technology/tech-news/googl...

TrainedMonkey 1y ago
Another dimension here is that any "we don't train on your data" is useless without a matching data retention policy which deletes your data. Case and point of 23andMe not selling your data until they decided to change that policy.
- decimalenough 1y ago
  Google offers a user-configurable retention policy for all data. https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/10549751 https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/10549751 That said, once your data is inside an LLM, you can't really unscramble the omelette.
  - elictronic 1y ago
    Lawsuits and laws seem to work just fine at unscrambling. Once a company has a fiscal interest they seem to change very quickly.
- Arisaka1 1y ago
  I'll go ahead and say that, even if there was a method that deletes your data when you request it, nothing stops them from using that data to train the model up until that point, which is "good enough" for them.
- 1y ago

aflukasz 1y ago

> It's a lot more nuanced than that. If you use the free edition of Code Assist, your data can be used UNLESS you opt out, Well... you are sending your data to a remote location that is not yours.

andrepd 1y ago

Yes, I'm right about to trust Google to do what they pinky swear. EDIT: Lmao, case in point, two sibling comments pointing out that Google does indeed do this anyway via some loophole; also they can just retain the data and change the policy unilaterally in the future. If you want privacy do it local with Free software.

8n4vidtmkvmk 1y ago
Do you have recommendations? I have ollama but it doesn't have built in tool support