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Don't hold your breath. My whole family are staunch Catholics and disliked Francis because of his more "liberal" leanings. Some Catholics believed he was the "a

Don't hold your breath. My whole family are staunch Catholics and disliked Francis because of his more "liberal" leanings. Some Catholics believed he was the "anti-christ" and loved Trump. Seriously.

sirbutters 1y ago
Exactly. The day orange loser posted his picture as the pope, you just had to read what catholics were saying in r/conservative. It was a mostly along the lines of "I don't think it was very wise to do that, but I'll never stop supporting him".
- senderista 1y ago
  I bet they'd say the same thing if Trump memed himself being crucified or something.
  - sirbutters 1y ago
    The beautiful irony is if he started to embrace the true teaching of Christ (love one another, forgive your enemies, help the poor etc), they would start to renounce him.
quesera 1y ago
I'm pretty sure you cease to be a Catholic when you call the Pope the anti-Christ. Infallible, God's representative on Earth, etc. Though in USAmerica, we're pretty flexible on the meaning of "Christian" anyway. Certainly the loudest proclaimers have no resemblance whatsoever to the expected meaning. Those troublesome CINOs.. Gosh Darn them to Heck.
- jowea 1y ago
  I think Sedevacantists and similar do consider themselves Catholic, although I don't think they usually believe the main Pope is the anti-Christ
- bombcar 1y ago
  The popes have long ruled that once a Catholic, you're stuck as a Catholic, though they may dispense from some requirements, sometimes. So even the Pope would say that you don't cease to be a Catholic if you call him an anti-Christ. Maybe excommunicated, but to be excommunicated you have to be Catholic.
  - quesera 1y ago
    It strikes me as fairly irrelevant what Catholics call ex-Catholics. I don't think you can (edit: reasonably) call yourself a Catholic if you do not adhere to certain tenets of the Catholic Church. (This is where I was going with the calls-themselves-Christian-but-aintnosuchthing comment, but it's less clear on re-read...)
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      > It strikes me as fairly irrelevant what Catholics call ex-Catholics. > I don't think you can call yourself a Catholic if you do not adhere to certain tenets of the Catholic Church. If John calls himself a Catholic, and the Catholic Church up to the Pope calls him a Catholic, you are pretty silly saying he is not a Catholic because he doesn't agree with the heirarchy on things on your personal priority list for what makes someone a Catholic.
      - quesera 1y ago
        Do you call yourself a Googler after you quit? You, and they, can use whatever labels serve your, or their, purpose. But at some point it doesn't make much sense, or have much meaning, to do so. I'm a Catholic.
        dragonwriter 1y ago
        > I'm a Catholic Does it make sense to call yourself that if you fail to hold to beliefs of the Catholic Church on central issues like “Who is a Catholic”? I mean, if we are accepting your argument that neither your belief that you are Catholic nor the Church’s beloef that you are Catholic matters and you are not Catholic despite both of those if you disagree on important matters with the teachings of the Church, what is the natural conclusion?
- graemep 1y ago
  > I'm pretty sure you cease to be a Catholic when you call the Pope the anti-Christ. Infallible, God's representative on Earth, etc. Infallible (i.e. with the authority of a church council) only when speaking ex-cathedra on matters of church doctrine. Its never clear what it applies to and its very rarely generally accepted (maybe once every 200 years or so) that it applies to a particular teaching: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Frequency_of_infallible_declarations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Frequency_...
cosmicgadget 1y ago
Is there like a hotline to report comments like theirs? Seems like the Catholic church would want to crack down on the bullshit.

Don't hold your breath. My whole family are staunch Catholics and disliked Francis because of his more "liberal" leanings. Some Catholics believed he was the "anti-christ" and loved Trump. Seriously.

sirbutters 1y ago

Exactly. The day orange loser posted his picture as the pope, you just had to read what catholics were saying in r/conservative. It was a mostly along the lines of "I don't think it was very wise to do that, but I'll never stop supporting him".

senderista 1y ago
I bet they'd say the same thing if Trump memed himself being crucified or something.
- sirbutters 1y ago
  The beautiful irony is if he started to embrace the true teaching of Christ (love one another, forgive your enemies, help the poor etc), they would start to renounce him.

quesera 1y ago

I'm pretty sure you cease to be a Catholic when you call the Pope the anti-Christ. Infallible, God's representative on Earth, etc. Though in USAmerica, we're pretty flexible on the meaning of "Christian" anyway. Certainly the loudest proclaimers have no resemblance whatsoever to the expected meaning. Those troublesome CINOs.. Gosh Darn them to Heck.

jowea 1y ago
I think Sedevacantists and similar do consider themselves Catholic, although I don't think they usually believe the main Pope is the anti-Christ
bombcar 1y ago
The popes have long ruled that once a Catholic, you're stuck as a Catholic, though they may dispense from some requirements, sometimes. So even the Pope would say that you don't cease to be a Catholic if you call him an anti-Christ. Maybe excommunicated, but to be excommunicated you have to be Catholic.
- quesera 1y ago
  It strikes me as fairly irrelevant what Catholics call ex-Catholics. I don't think you can (edit: reasonably) call yourself a Catholic if you do not adhere to certain tenets of the Catholic Church. (This is where I was going with the calls-themselves-Christian-but-aintnosuchthing comment, but it's less clear on re-read...)
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > It strikes me as fairly irrelevant what Catholics call ex-Catholics. > I don't think you can call yourself a Catholic if you do not adhere to certain tenets of the Catholic Church. If John calls himself a Catholic, and the Catholic Church up to the Pope calls him a Catholic, you are pretty silly saying he is not a Catholic because he doesn't agree with the heirarchy on things on your personal priority list for what makes someone a Catholic.
    - quesera 1y ago
      Do you call yourself a Googler after you quit? You, and they, can use whatever labels serve your, or their, purpose. But at some point it doesn't make much sense, or have much meaning, to do so. I'm a Catholic.
      - dragonwriter 1y ago
        > I'm a Catholic Does it make sense to call yourself that if you fail to hold to beliefs of the Catholic Church on central issues like “Who is a Catholic”? I mean, if we are accepting your argument that neither your belief that you are Catholic nor the Church’s beloef that you are Catholic matters and you are not Catholic despite both of those if you disagree on important matters with the teachings of the Church, what is the natural conclusion?
graemep 1y ago
> I'm pretty sure you cease to be a Catholic when you call the Pope the anti-Christ. Infallible, God's representative on Earth, etc. Infallible (i.e. with the authority of a church council) only when speaking ex-cathedra on matters of church doctrine. Its never clear what it applies to and its very rarely generally accepted (maybe once every 200 years or so) that it applies to a particular teaching: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Frequency_of_infallible_declarations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Frequency_...

cosmicgadget 1y ago

Is there like a hotline to report comments like theirs? Seems like the Catholic church would want to crack down on the bullshit.