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Why would you actually want this? Such a weird desire to hide this kind of stuff because it's so inconsequential in my mind.

Fnoord 1y ago
Because sane OSes have sane defaults, and this is one of them. Hide information by default, unless called for. Want verbose boot log? Ask for it. Want boot menu? Ask for it. Need Bluetooth enabled at boot? Aak for it. Don't overburden the user with irrelevant info. When my 7 y.o. daughter fires up the Steam Decj, she doesn't need to see the boot menu.
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- panny 1y ago
  >she doesn't need to see My parents let me decide what I needed to see and learn how to customize things for myself. That seems like a sane default to me.
  - Fnoord 1y ago
    No, they don't; they let you decide some things which are relevant. People in the know decide defaults. This is how it works everywhere. Else you'd learn to bicycle with your own traffic rules. You'd end under a bus. Addendum: You could say you want a sandbox, and that such is part of the sandbox to play with. Then you need some kind of way to clean up, like you can clean up the toys your kids play with (or ensure they clean up their own mess), or ensure their sandbox environment is safe (such as no fire hazards in your house). Then I would argue a VM is such. OS with rollbacks or a user account on an OS or locked down iOS/Android could suffice, too.
    - panny 1y ago
      >you'd learn to bicycle My parents gave me the bicycle in a box. I had to put it together if I wanted to ride it. They owned the bicycle shop too. They could have put it together for me, but they let me do it.
JoshTriplett 1y ago
On a modern laptop running Linux, the three slowest things in the boot are: - The firmware - The bootloader timeout - Waiting for the user to type the encryption passphrase Everything else takes almost no time at all. So, if you can eliminate 5 seconds from the boot process in the normal case, without eliminating your ability to debug the system in the unusual case, that's a win.
- pm215 1y ago
  But how often do you boot a modern laptop in the first place? I feel lke the time I save in not waiting those 5 seconds occasionally is all going to be spent again in the minutes wasted having to look up how I stop the instant autoboot (or failing to stop the autoboot and having to reset and try again) the first time I need to actually interact with grub...
  - JoshTriplett 1y ago
    Every time you update the Linux kernel, among other things. Or, if you're working on speeding up virtual machine boots, in which case you skip the bootloader entirely and use the kernel's EFI stub.
  - simonask 1y ago
    Every time it runs out of battery power. "I never let that happen." Cool.
- Zardoz84 1y ago
  if you use the TPM storage, you can avoid typing the encryption passphrase
  - JoshTriplett 1y ago
    That doesn't provide the desired security, unless you also then carefully lock down the system so that the TPM doesn't provide the key if the software has changed. That's theoretically doable but challenging, with many failure modes in both directions: not being able to get into the system, or someone being able to get into the system when they shouldn't.

Fnoord 1y ago

Because sane OSes have sane defaults, and this is one of them. Hide information by default, unless called for. Want verbose boot log? Ask for it. Want boot menu? Ask for it. Need Bluetooth enabled at boot? Aak for it. Don't overburden the user with irrelevant info. When my 7 y.o. daughter fires up the Steam Decj, she doesn't need to see the boot menu.

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panny 1y ago
>she doesn't need to see My parents let me decide what I needed to see and learn how to customize things for myself. That seems like a sane default to me.
- Fnoord 1y ago
  No, they don't; they let you decide some things which are relevant. People in the know decide defaults. This is how it works everywhere. Else you'd learn to bicycle with your own traffic rules. You'd end under a bus. Addendum: You could say you want a sandbox, and that such is part of the sandbox to play with. Then you need some kind of way to clean up, like you can clean up the toys your kids play with (or ensure they clean up their own mess), or ensure their sandbox environment is safe (such as no fire hazards in your house). Then I would argue a VM is such. OS with rollbacks or a user account on an OS or locked down iOS/Android could suffice, too.
  - panny 1y ago
    >you'd learn to bicycle My parents gave me the bicycle in a box. I had to put it together if I wanted to ride it. They owned the bicycle shop too. They could have put it together for me, but they let me do it.

JoshTriplett 1y ago

On a modern laptop running Linux, the three slowest things in the boot are: - The firmware - The bootloader timeout - Waiting for the user to type the encryption passphrase Everything else takes almost no time at all. So, if you can eliminate 5 seconds from the boot process in the normal case, without eliminating your ability to debug the system in the unusual case, that's a win.

pm215 1y ago
But how often do you boot a modern laptop in the first place? I feel lke the time I save in not waiting those 5 seconds occasionally is all going to be spent again in the minutes wasted having to look up how I stop the instant autoboot (or failing to stop the autoboot and having to reset and try again) the first time I need to actually interact with grub...
- JoshTriplett 1y ago
  Every time you update the Linux kernel, among other things. Or, if you're working on speeding up virtual machine boots, in which case you skip the bootloader entirely and use the kernel's EFI stub.
- simonask 1y ago
  Every time it runs out of battery power. "I never let that happen." Cool.
Zardoz84 1y ago
if you use the TPM storage, you can avoid typing the encryption passphrase
- JoshTriplett 1y ago
  That doesn't provide the desired security, unless you also then carefully lock down the system so that the TPM doesn't provide the key if the software has changed. That's theoretically doable but challenging, with many failure modes in both directions: not being able to get into the system, or someone being able to get into the system when they shouldn't.