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I'm curious whether the community will trust Redis-the-company again after this, or if they'll choose to stick with Valkey. The other concern is at least some b
by placatedmayhem 1y ago
I'm curious whether the community will trust Redis-the-company again after this, or if they'll choose to stick with Valkey. The other concern is at least some big company legal departments are wary of AGPL software, which makes Valkey, still BSD, more attractive to them.
Edit: Regardless, thank you and the rest of the folks inside Redis for pushing to bring this back to OSS!
- ksec 1y agoI am thinking the same that going to AGPL may actually push more people to Valkey. Although I haven't checked if ValKey any substantial development since the fork.
- reconditerose 1y agoYeah, there has been a lot of stuff like performance [1] and efficiency improvements [2]. A lot of the contributors, that didn't work for Redis labs but worked on Redis OSS before the fork, moved to Valkey and they continued to contribute. [1] https://valkey.io/blog/unlock-one-million-rps-part2/ https://valkey.io/blog/unlock-one-million-rps-part2/ [2] https://valkey.io/blog/new-hash-table/ https://valkey.io/blog/new-hash-table/
- olavgg 1y agoValkey has RDMA support, which offers significant performance improvements.
- graton 1y agoWell Valkey has more commits to their repository then Redis does, and more contributors. So it appears to be active. https://github.com/valkey-io/valkey https://github.com/valkey-io/valkey https://github.com/redis/redis https://github.com/redis/redis
- skywhopper 1y agoIn fact, some of Redis 8’s new features were taken from Valkey source code.
- internetter 1y agoLol feels a little hypocritical to complain about proprietary clouds, then take open source software from a competitor and embed it into your own
- immibis 1y agoIs that why they're AGPL now?
- VWWHFSfQ 1y agoI very much doubt that anyone will stick with valkey after the PaaS providers switch back to just offering Redis proper.
- md3911027514 1y agoWhy would PaaS providers switch back to offering Redis? They've clearly all already invested a lot in Valkey (AWS, GCP, Heroku).
- antirez 1y agoAWS, GCP, surely are invested: they paid for ValKey, they forked to avoid doing revenue sharing with Redis in any way :D IMHO it's a matter of what the community does, and it, in turn, this depends on how well we are able to develop Redis. It's not just licensing and hyper-scalers, it's also a matter of development quality and direction. For instance, now in Redis you can find substantial more stuff not available in ValKey, including hash items expires, Vector Sets that are very useful for a number of things, the probabilistic data structures just introduced with Redis 8, and so forth.
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- lotharcable 1y agoIf Redis is superior then sticking with Valkey would just be throwing good money after bad. Hopefully those companies are competent enough to understand the concept of sunk costs. Maybe Valkey has served its purpose in pressuring Redis into playing ball. Just answering "why would". Whether or not Redis is better then Valkey or if it would be worth it to switch back is not something I know.
- kiitos 1y agoAWS and GCP offer valkey-based versions of products that are typically based on Redis, but those versions are currently, generally, preview-grade, and statistically zero customers are using them. They still offer the original, Redis-based versions of those products, which, statistically, 100% of their customers are using.
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- kiitos 1y agoStatistically nobody is using valkey.
- echoangle 1y agoAre there usage stats available? How do you know this?
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- Osiris 1y agoMy guess is most people are using Redis via cloud providers. Did any cloud providers switch away from Redis?
- andenacitelli 1y agoAWS supports Valkey for Elasticache, and they actually bill it 33% cheaper. We use it and it works well.
- pjm331 1y agoAWS Elasticache gave a nice discount to switch to valkey w/ 1 button click no downtime migration path
- aweiher 1y agoValKey is cheaper in AWS than Reddis
- echoangle 1y agoWasn’t the whole point (or one of the major ones) of Valkey so that AWS could use it?
- reconditerose 1y agoMy guess is they are making it up. AWS has no public information, but there are some high profile customers that have migrated https://aws.amazon.com/elasticache/customers/ https://aws.amazon.com/elasticache/customers/.
- seneca 1y agoAll of this aside, Redis-the-company has some of the least tactful salespeople I've come across in my long stint in this industry. Used car sales level tactics. Between that and the licensing, I would never consider dealing with them.
- antirez 1y agoThe team of sales was, AFAIK, rebuilt from scratch recently. Please if this happened recently tell me, and I'll make sure to report back. Thanks.
- cortesoft 1y agoWe kept using redis, the license change never affected us. We had no reason to switch.
- ketzo 1y agoI imagine there is quite a large, quiet fraction (majority) of users who were the same way. Not to say it’s not an important discussion!
- Alupis 1y agoMany people switched to Valkey and didn't even know it. A lot like how many users are using MariaDB but think they are using MySQL. Several major linux distros transparently switched to Valkey and the users are none-the-wiser. On Fedora, for example, doing `sudo dnf install redis` just installs Valkey.
- sigzero 1y agoWell that's a reason not to use a distro right? If I type `sudo dnf install redis`, I want to install redis not valkey.
- Alupis 1y agoI disagree probably because I'm just used to it. Most of your major distros do this, including Fedora and Debian (the two largest). Usually this is due to license issues.
- fastball 1y ago"I'm used to it" is a terrible reason for disagreement.
- gkbrk 1y agoIf I update my packages and suddenly an open-source software is replaced with a closed-source one, I would blame my distro. It's totally normal for distros to replace packages like this with the best replacement they have.
- llmthrow103 1y agoWe switched to Valkey on our Elasticache instances and immediately noticed a performance improvement in our usecase that allowed us to reduce number of instances. Not really interested in moving back to Redis at this point.