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1y ago
Yeah, that really grinds my gears too. It especially bugs me when company blogs call out “abuse” when they only exist as a company because others gave them the permissions needed to build a business on software they did not author themsel
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1y ago
There are different FOSS communities that hold different values. I come from the copyleft camp because I want to advance Software Freedom objectives for end-users. Others are more interested in advancing software developer freedom, and the
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1y ago
AWS never offered the AGPLv3 licensed version of the MongoDB server as part of any managed service. There were large cloud providers in China that _did_ offer MongoDB as a service. They also provided the corresponding source code [1]. Despi
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1y ago
> Because a big company like Amazon has produced almost no open source work This may have been true a decade ago, but things are quite different now. > compared to how much it has benefited from open source. This is the nature of digi
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1y ago
The LWN article is examining the 976 commits made after the 7.0.0 release. I don't think you had any commits during that time? As is typical for software projects, early authors will be disproportionately represented in revision histor
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1y ago
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. In theory, one would not be able to offer a combined program under other licenses (in particular, RSALv2 and SSPLv1), as those licenses have conflicts with GPL obligations. Direct c
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1y ago
RMS was not convinced that the Affero clause was a good idea as a general rule, though he approved the Affero-sponsored fork of the GPL that created AGPLv1. Hence, he did not support the addition of network copyleft obligations in GPLv3 dur
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1y ago
This exchange makes me sad. I know we can do better. I don't understand why so many people think that it's impossible to have open source in your heart while working for a big company in your day job. I don't understand why p
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1y ago
Why? They can already just copy the code they want from Valkey, since Valkey is 3 clause BSD... But maybe Valkey should switch to GPLv3 instead to correct this imbalance. https://github.com/redis/redis/pull/13
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1y ago
If you use the latest versions of Redis, you are benefiting from the continued efforts of the Valkey development community. [1] This is Open Source working well. Unfortunately, the reverse flow does not work. [1] https://github.c
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1y ago
My personal opinion: we shouldn't let Google's bad policy poison our brains. The people who wrote that policy had their reasons for taking this position. It might have been the right thing for Google at the time the policy was wri
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2y ago
Disclosure: I work for Amazon. AWS never offered a service based on the AGPLv3 version of the MongoDB server. Therefore the change of license terms to SSPLv1 was not directly caused by Amazon’s use of the software as part of an offered serv
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2y ago
> PS: There are exceptions like postgres but there aren't enough of them at that scale. We need more communities and projects like PostgreSQL. Why can’t Valkey be another one?
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2y ago
There is more Free Software produced today than ever before, even if some firms are deciding they no longer want to produce it. There are far more who are continuing to add to the commons of public software unnoticed; those who publicly q
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2y ago
The needs of those who want to capture the majority of the value they create when they author digital goods like software haven’t been the concern of either the Free Software movement nor the Open Source movement. These movements are rooted
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2y ago
The two previous members of the Redis core team, along with other active contributors, are gathering in a different place: https://x.com/reconditerose/status/1771237000592642274
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2y ago
The article ignores that the two previous core team members that didn’t work for Redis Ltd, along with other active contributors, are gathering around a different project. They just don’t have a name yet. https://github.com/
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2y ago
Disclosures: I work for Amazon, but my positions as a long time Free Software advocate and copyleft supporter are my own. I do not speak for Amazon here. I served on the board of directors for Software Freedom Conservancy at its inception,
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2y ago
On the “downstream” side of this equation (managed services), the goal is to build a business that delights customers to the point where they part with their money to enjoy it. The ultimate goal there is naturally revenue and profit margin
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2y ago
No, the goal was to make Redis better for its community, which has positive downstream effects for everyone (users, Redis as a service providers-including Redis Ltd, etc.) And these efforts involved more than one developer. It is only that
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2y ago
The SSPLv1 has fatal flaws that were identified by the open source community during its review for OSI approval. Some of those flaws were attempted to be addressed in the SSPLv2 draft that was never finalized, which is an acknowledgment tha
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2y ago
The 3 clause BSD gives all the permissions that are needed for someone to add restrictions via their own license terms. Licenses like the GPL come with an obligation that one not add restrictions when passing the software on to others.
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2y ago
We’ve done that. See one example in a sibling reply.
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2y ago
You write as if you have all the facts, but I doubt you do. There are services with varying partnership terms, and there have been services launched with an intent to build long term mutually beneficial relationships that help ensure FOSS p
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That may be true if a codebase is licensed under the GPL and has a diverse copyright ownership. But the 3 clause BSD is not that. 3 clause BSD gives everyone permission to use it in new works that are made available using license terms of o
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There is no spin here. There are people that work for Amazon that work on FOSS projects out of the goodness of their heart, just like folks who are independent developers, or folks who work for startups, or folks who are just getting starte
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https://web.archive.org/web/20231030181609/https://redis.io/... (the page is now a 404) The core team has the following remit: * Managing the core Redis code and documentation * Managing n
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"Occasional contributions" don't earn an invitation to become a Redis core maintainer. Please stop diminishing the tireless work of FOSS maintainers.
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Disclosure: I work for Amazon, but I don't work directly on Redis related cloud services. I am close to the Open Source Program Office, and I care a lot about the people who do the hard work required to collaborate on open source pro
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2y ago
That's not strictly accurate. SSPLv1 is only a choice for the source code. One can elect to use RSALv2 for both binaries and source code.
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