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Iceland, Japan and Norway are the culprits still supporting whaling, not China - just fyi :)

repeekad 1y ago
Did China stop whaling or did they just add it to the list of things they have to be quiet about? like how drugs are heavily controlled on the mainland and yet fentanyl precursors almost all come from China before being smuggled into US?
- missedthecue 1y ago
  China joined the IWC over 40 years ago and banned whaling. They do not engage in commercial whaling.
  - samplatt 1y ago
    China consumes roughly a third of seafood caught globally and is the world's leading exporter. If you think China isn't whole-ass into illegal commercial whaling, then I have a bridge to sell you.
    - lostlogin 1y ago
      Have you got any links or sources on this? I have had a quick look and can’t find anything that agrees.
      - _t9ow 1y ago
        > can’t find anything that agrees That's because many people allow their (completely warranted) distrust of the CCP to justify all sorts of other spurious, baseless accusations of the CCP. The CCP has done many things that deserve criticism; let's not invent new ones.
    - blitzar 1y ago
      I think you are confusing China and Japan. The latter of which conduct the hunt openly.
BowBun 1y ago
Perhaps use a better word than culprit, since fishing whale is legal in all three of those places!
- jamiek88 1y ago
  Human morality is above any nations petty laws. Culprit is the right word for those monsters still slaughtering these magnificent creatures. Evil would be a better one.
  - djrj477dhsnv 1y ago
    As long as populations are managed to avoid loss of biodiversity, I think it's hard to argue hunting is evil. Animals hunting other animals is a natural part of life.
    - rl3 1y ago
      >... I think it's hard to argue hunting is evil. Very few if any clean kills, infliction of immense suffering on creatures that have a cognitive capacity rivaling that of humans prior to robbing them of life, clear lack of necessity in the first place. I dunno, seems kind of evil to me. This makes a good argument that the cruelty involved is undue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8e1kb4D4nY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8e1kb4D4nY
    - andrewflnr 1y ago
      The only responsible way to "manage" whale populations is to let them repopulate for at least a hundred years, probably more. IIRC their populations are still way below pre-whaling levels, with some weird knock-on effects.
      - kjkjadksj 1y ago
        Is it even realistic to expect similar population counts when the context of the ocean is so different today? What of the distribution of nutrients between now and then? Do these nutrients even make it to the right level in the food web at sufficient levels to support such a whale population today?

Did China stop whaling or did they just add it to the list of things they have to be quiet about? like how drugs are heavily controlled on the mainland and yet fentanyl precursors almost all come from China before being smuggled into US?

missedthecue 1y ago
China joined the IWC over 40 years ago and banned whaling. They do not engage in commercial whaling.
- samplatt 1y ago
  China consumes roughly a third of seafood caught globally and is the world's leading exporter. If you think China isn't whole-ass into illegal commercial whaling, then I have a bridge to sell you.
  - lostlogin 1y ago
    Have you got any links or sources on this? I have had a quick look and can’t find anything that agrees.
    - _t9ow 1y ago
      > can’t find anything that agrees That's because many people allow their (completely warranted) distrust of the CCP to justify all sorts of other spurious, baseless accusations of the CCP. The CCP has done many things that deserve criticism; let's not invent new ones.
  - blitzar 1y ago
    I think you are confusing China and Japan. The latter of which conduct the hunt openly.

BowBun 1y ago

Perhaps use a better word than culprit, since fishing whale is legal in all three of those places!

jamiek88 1y ago
Human morality is above any nations petty laws. Culprit is the right word for those monsters still slaughtering these magnificent creatures. Evil would be a better one.
- djrj477dhsnv 1y ago
  As long as populations are managed to avoid loss of biodiversity, I think it's hard to argue hunting is evil. Animals hunting other animals is a natural part of life.
  - rl3 1y ago
    >... I think it's hard to argue hunting is evil. Very few if any clean kills, infliction of immense suffering on creatures that have a cognitive capacity rivaling that of humans prior to robbing them of life, clear lack of necessity in the first place. I dunno, seems kind of evil to me. This makes a good argument that the cruelty involved is undue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8e1kb4D4nY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8e1kb4D4nY
  - andrewflnr 1y ago
    The only responsible way to "manage" whale populations is to let them repopulate for at least a hundred years, probably more. IIRC their populations are still way below pre-whaling levels, with some weird knock-on effects.
    - kjkjadksj 1y ago
      Is it even realistic to expect similar population counts when the context of the ocean is so different today? What of the distribution of nutrients between now and then? Do these nutrients even make it to the right level in the food web at sufficient levels to support such a whale population today?