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One of the main advantages Anthropic currently has over Google is the tooling that comes with Claude Code. It may not generate better code, and it has a lower c

One of the main advantages Anthropic currently has over Google is the tooling that comes with Claude Code. It may not generate better code, and it has a lower complexity ceiling, but it can automatically find and search files, and figure out how to fix a syntax error fast.

mogili 1y ago
I use roo code with Gemini to get similar results for free
- ssd532 1y ago
  Does its agentic features work with any API? I had tried this or Cline and it was clear that they work effectively only with Claude's tooling support.
  - piizeus 1y ago
    Yes. Any API Key is allowed, Also you can assign different LLMs for different modes. It is great for cost-optimization. Like architect, code, ask, debug etc.
bayarearefugee 1y ago
As another person that cancelled my Claude and switched to Gemini, I agree that Claude Code is very nice, but beyond some initial exploration I never felt comfortable using it for real work because Claude 3.7 is far too eager to overengineer half-baked solutions that extend far beyond what you asked it to do in the first place. Paying real API money for Claude to jump the gun on solutions invalidated the advantage of having a tool as nice as Claude Code, at least for me, I admit everyone's mileage will vary.
- roygbiv2 1y ago
  I wanted some powershell code to do some sharepoint uploading. It created a 1000 line logging module that allowed me to log things at different levels like info, debug, error etc. Not really what I wanted.
- neuah 1y ago
  Exactly my experience as well. Started out loving it but it almost moves too fast - building in functionality that i might want eventually but isn't yet appropriate for where the project is in terms of testing, or is just in completely the wrong place in the architecture. I try to give very direct and specific prompts but it still has the tendency to overreach. Of course it's likely that with more use i will learn better how to rein it in.
  - Hugsun 1y ago
    I've experienced this a lot as well. I also just yesterday had an interesting argument with claude. It put an expensive API call inside a useEffect hook. I wanted the call elsewhere and it fought me on it pretty aggressively. Instead of removing the call, it started changing comments and function names to say that the call was just loading already fetched data from a cache (which was not true). I could not find a way to tell it to remove that API call from the useEffect hook, It just wrote more and more motivated excuses in the surrounding comments. It would have been very funny if it weren't so expensive.
    - freedomben 1y ago
      Geez, I'm not one of the people who think AI is going to wake up and wipe us out, but experiences like yours do give me pause. Right now the AI isn't in the drivers seat and can only assert itself through verbal expression, but I know it's only a matter of time. We already saw Cursor themselves get a taste of this. To be clear I'm not suggesting the AI is sentient and malicious - I don't believe that at all. I think it's been trained/programmed/tuned to do this, though not intentionally, but the nature of these tools is they will surprise us
      - arrowsmith 1y ago
        > We already saw Cursor themselves get a taste of this. Sorry what do you mean by this?
        tempoponet 1y ago
- btbuildem 1y ago
  "Don't be a keener. Do not do anything I did not ask you to do" are def part of my prompts when using Claude
- Sonnigeszeug 1y ago
  Whats your setup/workflow then? Any ide integration?
- tough 1y ago
  Open Codex (A codex fork) that supports gemini and openrouter providers https://github.com/ymichael/open-codex https://github.com/ymichael/open-codex google models on cli are great.
  - mark_l_watson 1y ago
    +1 Open Codex is very nice. Yesterday I was using it with Gemini APIs and also using a local model using Ollama running on my laptop. I added a very short chapter on setting this up (direct link to my book online): https://leanpub.com/ollama/read#using-the-open-codex-command-line-interface-coding-agent https://leanpub.com/ollama/read#using-the-open-codex-command... This morning I tweaked my Open Codex config to also try gemma3:27b-it-qat - and Google’s olen source small is excellent: runs fast enough for a good dev experience, with very good functionality.
WiSaGaN 1y ago
Also the "project" feature in claude improves experience significantly for coder, where you can customize your workflow. Would be great if gemini has this feature.
energy123 1y ago
Google need to fix their Gemini web app at a basic level. It's slow, gets stuck on Show Thinking, rejects 200k token prompts that are sent one shot. Aistudio is in much better shape.
- Graphon1 1y ago
  But have you tried any other interfaces for Gemini? Like the Gemini Code Assistant in VSCode? Or Gemini-backed Aider?
  - roygbiv2 1y ago
    Have you tried them? Which one is fairly simple but just works?
- johnisgood 1y ago
  I hate how I can copy paste long text into Claude (becomes a pasted text) and it is accepted, but in Gemini it is limited.
  - Workaccount2 1y ago
    You can paste it in a text file and upload that. A little annoying compared to claude, but does work.
    - johnisgood 1y ago
      Thanks, will give it a try.
      - xbmcuser 1y ago
        Uploading files on google is now great. I uploaded my python script and the text data files I was using the script to process. I asked it how best to optimize the code. It actually ran the python code on the data files. Then recommended changes then when prompted ran the script again to show the new results. At first I was like maybe hallucinating but no the data was correct.
igor47 1y ago
I've switched to aider with the --watch-files flag. Being able to use models in nvim with no additional tooling is pretty sweet
- mediaman 1y ago
  That's really cool. I've been looking for a nicer solution to use with nvim.
- aitchnyu 1y ago
  Typing `//use this as reference ai` in one file and `//copy this row to x ai!` and it will add those functions/files to context and act on both places. Altough I wish Aider would write `working on your request...` under my comment, now I have to keep Aider window in sight. Autocomplete and "add to context" and "enter your instructions" of other apps feel clunky.
julianeon 1y ago
Related: Only Claude (to my knowledge) has a desktop app which can directly, and usually quite intelligently, modify files and create repos on your desktop. It's the only "agentic" option among the major players. "Claude, make me an app which will accept Stripe payments and sell an ebook about coding in Python; first create the app, then the ebook." It would take a few passes but Claude could do this; obviously you can't do that with an API alone. That capability alone is worth $30/month in my opinion.
- indexerror 1y ago
  OpenAI just released Codex, which is basically the same as Claude Code.
  - hiciu 1y ago
    It looks the same, but for some reason Claude Code is much more capable. Codex got lost in my source code and hallucinated bunch of stuff, Claude on the same task just went to town, burned money and delivered. Of course, this is only my experience and codex is still very young. I really hope it becomes as capable as Claude.
    - rockwotj 1y ago
      Part of it is probably tgat claude is just better at coding than what openai has available. I am considering trying to hack in support for gemini into codex and play around with it.
      - lytedev 1y ago
        I was doing this last night with open-codex, a fork. https://github.com/ymichael/open-codex https://github.com/ymichael/open-codex
- thrdbndndn 1y ago
  Copilot agent mode?
- 1y ago
vladmdgolam 1y ago
There are at least 10 projects currently aiming to recreate Claude Code, but for Gemini. For example, geminicodes.co by NotebookLM’s founding PM Raiza Martin
- wcallahan 1y ago
  Tried Gemini Codes yesterday, as well as anon-kode and anon-codex. Gemini Codes is already broken and appears to be rather brittle (she disclosures as much), and the other two appear to still need some prompt improvements or someone adding vector embedding for them to be useful? Perhaps someone can merge the best of Aider and codex/claude code now. Looking forward to it.
mrinterweb 1y ago
I don't understand the appeal of investing in leaning and adapting your workflow to use an AI tool that is so tightly coupled to a single LLM provider, when there are other great AI tools available that are not locked to a single LLM provider. I would guess aider is the closest thing to claude code, but you can use pretty much any LLM. The LLM field is moving so fast that what is the leading frontier model today, may not be the same tomorrow. Pricing is another important consideration. https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/ https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/
- smallnamespace 1y ago
  All the AI tools end up converging on a similar workflow: type what you want and interrupt if you're not getting what you want.
mdhb 1y ago
Firebase Studio is the Google equivalent

mogili 1y ago

I use roo code with Gemini to get similar results for free

ssd532 1y ago
Does its agentic features work with any API? I had tried this or Cline and it was clear that they work effectively only with Claude's tooling support.
- piizeus 1y ago
  Yes. Any API Key is allowed, Also you can assign different LLMs for different modes. It is great for cost-optimization. Like architect, code, ask, debug etc.

bayarearefugee 1y ago

As another person that cancelled my Claude and switched to Gemini, I agree that Claude Code is very nice, but beyond some initial exploration I never felt comfortable using it for real work because Claude 3.7 is far too eager to overengineer half-baked solutions that extend far beyond what you asked it to do in the first place. Paying real API money for Claude to jump the gun on solutions invalidated the advantage of having a tool as nice as Claude Code, at least for me, I admit everyone's mileage will vary.

roygbiv2 1y ago
I wanted some powershell code to do some sharepoint uploading. It created a 1000 line logging module that allowed me to log things at different levels like info, debug, error etc. Not really what I wanted.
neuah 1y ago
Exactly my experience as well. Started out loving it but it almost moves too fast - building in functionality that i might want eventually but isn't yet appropriate for where the project is in terms of testing, or is just in completely the wrong place in the architecture. I try to give very direct and specific prompts but it still has the tendency to overreach. Of course it's likely that with more use i will learn better how to rein it in.
- Hugsun 1y ago
  I've experienced this a lot as well. I also just yesterday had an interesting argument with claude. It put an expensive API call inside a useEffect hook. I wanted the call elsewhere and it fought me on it pretty aggressively. Instead of removing the call, it started changing comments and function names to say that the call was just loading already fetched data from a cache (which was not true). I could not find a way to tell it to remove that API call from the useEffect hook, It just wrote more and more motivated excuses in the surrounding comments. It would have been very funny if it weren't so expensive.
  - freedomben 1y ago
    Geez, I'm not one of the people who think AI is going to wake up and wipe us out, but experiences like yours do give me pause. Right now the AI isn't in the drivers seat and can only assert itself through verbal expression, but I know it's only a matter of time. We already saw Cursor themselves get a taste of this. To be clear I'm not suggesting the AI is sentient and malicious - I don't believe that at all. I think it's been trained/programmed/tuned to do this, though not intentionally, but the nature of these tools is they will surprise us
    - arrowsmith 1y ago
      > We already saw Cursor themselves get a taste of this. Sorry what do you mean by this?
      - tempoponet 1y ago
btbuildem 1y ago
"Don't be a keener. Do not do anything I did not ask you to do" are def part of my prompts when using Claude
Sonnigeszeug 1y ago
Whats your setup/workflow then? Any ide integration?
tough 1y ago
Open Codex (A codex fork) that supports gemini and openrouter providers https://github.com/ymichael/open-codex https://github.com/ymichael/open-codex google models on cli are great.
- mark_l_watson 1y ago
  +1 Open Codex is very nice. Yesterday I was using it with Gemini APIs and also using a local model using Ollama running on my laptop. I added a very short chapter on setting this up (direct link to my book online): https://leanpub.com/ollama/read#using-the-open-codex-command-line-interface-coding-agent https://leanpub.com/ollama/read#using-the-open-codex-command... This morning I tweaked my Open Codex config to also try gemma3:27b-it-qat - and Google’s olen source small is excellent: runs fast enough for a good dev experience, with very good functionality.

WiSaGaN 1y ago

Also the "project" feature in claude improves experience significantly for coder, where you can customize your workflow. Would be great if gemini has this feature.

energy123 1y ago

Google need to fix their Gemini web app at a basic level. It's slow, gets stuck on Show Thinking, rejects 200k token prompts that are sent one shot. Aistudio is in much better shape.

Graphon1 1y ago
But have you tried any other interfaces for Gemini? Like the Gemini Code Assistant in VSCode? Or Gemini-backed Aider?
- roygbiv2 1y ago
  Have you tried them? Which one is fairly simple but just works?
johnisgood 1y ago
I hate how I can copy paste long text into Claude (becomes a pasted text) and it is accepted, but in Gemini it is limited.
- Workaccount2 1y ago
  You can paste it in a text file and upload that. A little annoying compared to claude, but does work.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    Thanks, will give it a try.
    - xbmcuser 1y ago
      Uploading files on google is now great. I uploaded my python script and the text data files I was using the script to process. I asked it how best to optimize the code. It actually ran the python code on the data files. Then recommended changes then when prompted ran the script again to show the new results. At first I was like maybe hallucinating but no the data was correct.

igor47 1y ago

I've switched to aider with the --watch-files flag. Being able to use models in nvim with no additional tooling is pretty sweet

mediaman 1y ago
That's really cool. I've been looking for a nicer solution to use with nvim.
aitchnyu 1y ago
Typing `//use this as reference ai` in one file and `//copy this row to x ai!` and it will add those functions/files to context and act on both places. Altough I wish Aider would write `working on your request...` under my comment, now I have to keep Aider window in sight. Autocomplete and "add to context" and "enter your instructions" of other apps feel clunky.

julianeon 1y ago

Related: Only Claude (to my knowledge) has a desktop app which can directly, and usually quite intelligently, modify files and create repos on your desktop. It's the only "agentic" option among the major players. "Claude, make me an app which will accept Stripe payments and sell an ebook about coding in Python; first create the app, then the ebook." It would take a few passes but Claude could do this; obviously you can't do that with an API alone. That capability alone is worth $30/month in my opinion.

indexerror 1y ago
OpenAI just released Codex, which is basically the same as Claude Code.
- hiciu 1y ago
  It looks the same, but for some reason Claude Code is much more capable. Codex got lost in my source code and hallucinated bunch of stuff, Claude on the same task just went to town, burned money and delivered. Of course, this is only my experience and codex is still very young. I really hope it becomes as capable as Claude.
  - rockwotj 1y ago
    Part of it is probably tgat claude is just better at coding than what openai has available. I am considering trying to hack in support for gemini into codex and play around with it.
    - lytedev 1y ago
      I was doing this last night with open-codex, a fork. https://github.com/ymichael/open-codex https://github.com/ymichael/open-codex
thrdbndndn 1y ago
Copilot agent mode?
1y ago

vladmdgolam 1y ago

There are at least 10 projects currently aiming to recreate Claude Code, but for Gemini. For example, geminicodes.co by NotebookLM’s founding PM Raiza Martin

wcallahan 1y ago
Tried Gemini Codes yesterday, as well as anon-kode and anon-codex. Gemini Codes is already broken and appears to be rather brittle (she disclosures as much), and the other two appear to still need some prompt improvements or someone adding vector embedding for them to be useful? Perhaps someone can merge the best of Aider and codex/claude code now. Looking forward to it.

mrinterweb 1y ago

I don't understand the appeal of investing in leaning and adapting your workflow to use an AI tool that is so tightly coupled to a single LLM provider, when there are other great AI tools available that are not locked to a single LLM provider. I would guess aider is the closest thing to claude code, but you can use pretty much any LLM. The LLM field is moving so fast that what is the leading frontier model today, may not be the same tomorrow. Pricing is another important consideration. https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/ https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/

smallnamespace 1y ago
All the AI tools end up converging on a similar workflow: type what you want and interrupt if you're not getting what you want.

mdhb 1y ago

Firebase Studio is the Google equivalent