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Paper Apps
- gmuslera 2y agoThe dungeon one "procedurally generated" reminded me of https://xkcd.com/221/ https://xkcd.com/221/
- tempodox 2y agoThey didn't say what procedure was used to generate the dungeons :P
- hk__2 2y agoThe key part is you need a "pencil dice" to play these.
- andrewflnr 2y agoOr regular dice, presumably. Or a regular pencil with 1..6 written in its sides with a sharpie. You can also make a spinner with just a few lines and a paper clip.
- lIl-IIIl 2y agoIf you watch the "Galaxy" demo video you see that there are some "pre-rolled" numbers built in.
- duxup 2y agoNot unlike "AI". I know a few companies that just sort of rebranded their old process or service as "AI" ... it hasn't changed in 10+ years.
- hexmiles 2y agoI love paper tools and games. Another one that i use is: https://davidseah.com/productivity-tools/ https://davidseah.com/productivity-tools/
- hassleblad23 2y agoThis looks incredible.
- SirFatty 2y agoI posted the same link then had to delete because I didn't see your comment. Been a fan of David Seah for about 10 years.
- johnwayne666 2y agoInteresting idea. There are also solo board games that can be carried in your pocket. Some of them listed here: https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/273744/small-box-solo-games https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/273744/small-box-solo-gam... Recommendations are welcome :)
- WillAdams 2y agoInterestingly, that was one of the original considerations for _Magic: The Gathering_ --- but somehow, my main (Commander) deck has become an unpocketable behemoth which is tedious to shuffle and which requires a box containing: - play mat - dice - counters - tokens (and constant supervision since I had to add a rider to my insurance policy 'cause while my Elvish Archers are no longer in it, some rather valuable cards from when I first started playing are still in it)
- iimblack 2y agoOnirim is good but the phone app is better since there’s so much shuffling. Cursed?! is one of my favorites. Galdors Grip is really cool in that you can play it in hand, you don’t need a table, so you can play it anywhere.
- Skinney 2y agoPretty much love all the Simply Solo games from Button Shy Games.
- 2mlWQbCK 2y agoThere is also a geeklist for just dungeon-crawling games played with pen and paper: https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/274219/pencil-swords-and-rubber-shields-dungeoneering-wit https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/274219/pencil-swords-and-... And some "Roll and Write" games in general: https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/213815/roll-and-write-games https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/213815/roll-and-write-gam...
- Edd314159 2y ago“Paper Apps” seems like an overly snobby and infantilizing term for something we already had a term for: Puzzle Books / Notebooks.
- VyseofArcadia 2y agoIt does on the surface just seem like it's selling those sudoku and crossword puzzles you see at the grocery store checkout to people who aren't grandparents. But also, that's like comparing the modern board game scene to Monopoly and Candyland.
- addandsubtract 2y ago"Apps" is just our current Zeitgeist term for products. Facebook, Reddit, newspaper... are now "apps". You don't have to like it (I don't either), but just like the term "meme" has evolved from an "animal/person with bold text on it" to mean any joke or popular concept, "app" has transcended the phone realm.
- zmgsabst 2y ago“Meme” predates the internet, with both animal/comic captions as a means of culture and popular jokes/concepts being examples. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
- Retr0id 2y ago> the term "meme" has evolved from an "animal/person with bold text on it" to mean any joke or popular concept It's actually the other way around, "meme" existed in the general sense for many years before internet-image-macro-memes became a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme#Dawkins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme#Dawkins
- floydnoel 2y agosure, let's take advice about words from the person who doesn't know the definition of the ones they are using.
- flpm 2y ago
- pmkary 2y agoThis is both very funny and very sad :) Paper is its own thing. if you think about it, the todo list in the computer was first a skeuomorph of the paper one. Now people have become so alienated from the paper that someone has brought their computer todo to the paper :)))) Not only this does not promote the paper, but is a huge promotion for the computer! By being a constant reminder to the notebook's owner: "this is not a computer", one will have no choice but to keep thinking of all the things they miss in their todo from a dynamic medium :))))
- Raztuf 2y ago>A skeuomorph is a derivative object that retains ornamental design cues (attributes) from structures that were necessary in the original. Thanks for the new word !
- andsoitis 2y agoSkeuomorphism: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/skeuomorphism/ https://www.nngroup.com/articles/skeuomorphism/
- FrustratedMonky 2y agoA skeuomorph (also spelled skiamorph, /ˈskjuːəˌmɔːrf, ˈskjuːoʊ-/) is a derivative object that retains ornamental design cues (attributes) from structures that were necessary in the original. Skeuomorphs are typically used to make something new feel familiar in an effort to speed understanding and acclimation.
- cowsandmilk 2y agoI don’t think this is sad at all. And I’m not sure how this can be described as bringing computer todo to paper.
- Retr0id 2y agoIt's just a matter of framing. If "paper" is your starting point, a computerized todo list is "paper, but smarter". If a computerized todo list is your starting point (which for many it is), then paper is "computers, but dumber". It is a little sad (in a nostalgic sense) that paper apparently becomes more marketable when contrasted with the features of computers (apps specifically), rather than as a product in its own right.
- jjice 2y agoThese are neat, I’ve been seeing them around the web for a week or so now. That said, I’ve actually come around in the other direction. I was big on paper for lots of things, but have recently begun using my phone more for things like notes and todos. The main reasons are searchability and archivability. My todos are always there, I can modify them, and they reach out to yell at me at the appropriate times. My notes done get lost in my desk anymore and take up no space. I still like paper for fast writing and then I just port that over to my digital notes later. I’m sure these are great for limiting distractability, but I’ve found that switching to an iPhone and not having my notifications in the top bar of my phone, along with having some type of focus enabled most of the day helps me not get distracted while taking care of something separate.
- ggbjr 2y agoSo much hate. These are great for those of us interested in introducing a little more analog into the lives of our teenage kids. I’m re-upping now.
- hugs 2y agoSpeaking of teenage kids, these could also be useful in places where computers/phones are not allowed (like backpacking/camping trips or in school). Most likely, they'd rather play card games, but this might provide a nice alternative and is easier to pause and get back to a task than card games.
- lifefeed 2y agoI had the Dungeon Notebook. It was fun. I played it until I got bored, which was quick, then gave it away. The ability to "give away" these little games are part of the fun. I'd like to see a game like this where "giving it away" is part of the game. Something you can pass around a school or a con. Like an analog version of Chain World, which was a mini-Minecraft-on-a-USB-stick that you were supposed to pass on. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_World https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_World )
- CuriousCosmic 2y agoSubnautica has a somewhat related concept which is that at the end of the game you have the ability to send a single time capsule to the maps of new players. They contain text, a picture (taken with the in game camera), and a handful of items. It's a cute little feature that allows you to send something helpful (or just amusing) to the next generation of players.
- lifefeed 2y agoI got a little fish in my first capsule (along something useful that I can't remember, maybe a suit). I kept it the whole game, then passed it on in my own capsule. It's silly, but I still think about that fish.
- cbm-vic-20 2y agoSounds like a NetHack "bones level" that gets created when you die, and may appear in someone else's game. Full of cursed items, of course. https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Bones#Description https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Bones#Description
- IgorPartola 2y agoNothing like finding your own bones and being attacked by your ghost.
- rkowalick 2y ago
- rel 2y agoFound these a couple weeks ago and bought the golf PDF for my <7y/o nephew and he was initially hesitant but then thrilled once he understood the basic premise. Didn’t have the heart to start teaching him A* and manhattan distance, that’ll come later. I’m glad the creator made this and am looking forward to seeing more of these Side note, these reminded me of pocket mod which I absolutely loved using 15 years ago https://pocketmod.com/ https://pocketmod.com/
- AstroJetson 2y agoI still make them. Most are todo list things. I have the rule subset for my Robotics competitions for the kids to use since not all of them have phones. I also use them for trips to do plane flights, rental, hotel, dinner places, etc. I’d rather accidentally forget a pocketmod on a rental counter than my phone.
- hassleblad23 2y agoThe idea is interesting.
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- robbomacrae 2y agoI wish there was a bulk buy discount then these would make for awesome party bag fillers at my kids birthday parties. Much better than giving out candy...
- rickspencer3 2y ago$4.99 impulse buy. I bought a pdf to put on my remarkable 2 for my next plane trip. I hope that doing it this way doesn't violate the spirit of using paper :)
- funksta 2y agoI think the reMarkable is very much in the spirit of using paper, despite it being electronic. It's quite a fun little gaming device: https://hyperpaper.me/blog/fun-and-games-on-eink https://hyperpaper.me/blog/fun-and-games-on-eink
- caycep 2y agoI wonder what the trademark situation is on apps named paper…I’ve had at least 1 Dropbox owned paper app and a drawing/painting app of the same name
- bencyoung 2y agoPersonally I think this is a really cool idea: https://experiments.withgoogle.com/paper-phone https://experiments.withgoogle.com/paper-phone. Both mildly mocking and thought provoking at the same time!
- jldugger 2y agoThis looks a lot like the hipster PDA from two decades ago: https://lifehacker.com/printable-hipster-pda-104799 https://lifehacker.com/printable-hipster-pda-104799
- threeio 2y agoI realize its insane, but I used that Hipster PDA workflow for about 3 years before moving back to a digital workflow.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_PDA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_PDA for more details
- taude 2y agoI suddenly feel old. I would have thought the hipster PDA was like a decade ago, but wow, 2005 and LifeHacker. Memories. And the start of Ruby on Rails....
- Brajeshwar 2y agoI love writing and continue to explore various writing tools (pen/paper), and digital. Right now, I use a mix of digital and physical tools — fountain pens, paper notebooks, and devices (iPad/iPhone/Mac). - Commonplace Notes: I almost always start in a physical notebook. I then transferred (typed) this to my digital version for more permanent reference. - Journal: I write a lot. I moved to all digital about 10 years ago but moved back to physical about 5 years ago. I really love the tactile feel of the paper kicking back to my fountain pen, and I believe I will maintain my journal in a physical notebook. - Temporary Notes/Quicknotes: I used both a pocket notebook and the usual digital notes on the device available with me at that time. These notes are considered ephemeral and the useful info is moved to the Commonplace Notes or the Journal. I write almost all physical meeting notes in a physical notebook with a pen. They usually end up being the reference that gets circulated to the participants.
- aquir 2y agoVery clever idea, looks like fun!
- foenix 2y agoHi Tom! I went to school with Tom. He's one of the first legit nerds I ever hung out with. Glad to see his business featured on HN!
- dole 2y agoPerfect site design, concept and pricing, much luck, forget the haters.
- turnsout 2y agoHa, this is awesome! Reminds me of "Real Apps" from New Girl [0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_(New_Girl)
- latexr 2y agoI really like the idea. I have some notes/suggestions. I only saw the GALAXY video and my immediate thought was that I wouldn’t want to scribble over the levels. I understand that’s kind of the point but I’m confident I’d enjoy replaying the same level to “speed run” it or giving the books away to someone else later. What I think could work is a detachable acetate sheet to place over pages. This way you can play it over and over. I would ask that you make it obvious somewhere the places you ship from. Reason being I’m in the EU and having anything shipped from the US always bites me, to the point I just refuse to do it now because it’s never worth the cost and stress. Things often get stuck in customs, and if I can get them unstuck at all I need to pay insane taxes. Being able to verify the shipping origin would help. One game that could be fun is something inspired by ChuChu Rocket. I remember as a kid liking to solve the puzzles, and once I imagined drawing the harder ones on graph paper so I could solve them on the go.
- jldugger 2y agoWell, acetate sheets are pretty easy to find and cut. Consider it an optional DIY project? =)
- bityard 2y agoIf the creator shows up (or if anyone else knows), can you shed some light on how exactly the Print and Play editions work? The product pages do not have enough information, unfortunately. After you pay, do you just get a static PDF with X number of pages? Or do the PDFs contain Javascript to generate new levels? Or does the website generate your PDFs for you, with a random seed if you ask it to? If so, how many times can you do it?
- clifdweller 2y agothe pdf are all seed 0 for each game so a static pdf same thing you would get if buying a printed book but set to seed 0
- flpm 2y agoWe (me and my 8 year old) loved the Dungeon one and really enjoyed, as a carry-with-you-for-when-you-are-bored item. Also cool is their d6 pencil, so you can roll a dice without having a dice, very smart idea. I am really inspired by ideas like this: you can generate engagement with simple things like a piece of paper and a pencil. And despite some of the comments, I love that they call it an "App" because it makes you think what is an app after all: the code? the fact it runs on a phone? or that fact that it is readily available to engage when you are bored?
- nonethewiser 2y agoThe d6 pencil is a very elegant design
- ajot 2y agoI used to do something similar in high school, with Bic pens and pencils that have a hexagonal section.
- deadbabe 2y agoI would love if the pencil had a spinning sort of top instead so you can quickly and discretely make rolls instead of having to throw it around and make a bunch of noise and commotion.
- lacoolj 2y agoand we have officially come full circle
- mrdoornbos 2y agoI have several of these. They are great on the go.
- jldugger 2y agoThe games are conceptually neat but I find the randomness added by die rolls a detraction these days. Just give me puzzles I can perfectly solve!
- adamtaylor_13 2y agoI found that Into The Breach really scratches that “give me a puzzle I can perfectly solve” itch. Definitely worth checking out if you’re into puzzle games. If you have a Netflix subscription you can play for free on iOS and iPadOS (unsure about other platforms).
- jldugger 2y agoYea, I uh, already have that one =)
- Levitating 2y agoReminds me of 6x6 tales[1]. Also anything sold on the PNPArcade.[2] [1]: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/307996/6x6-tales https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/307996/6x6-tales [2]: https://www.pnparcade.com/ https://www.pnparcade.com/
- tunesmith 2y agoThe best "Paper Apps" concept I've ever experienced was the "Ace of Aces" series of books, published by Nova. Two books, one for you and one for a friend, in a airplane dogfight, where through a complicated page-flipping mechanism, you each see your own first person view of the other person's plane.
- gmurphy 2y agoI brought the print-and-play GALAXY PDF for my son - he loved it and spent the next ten hours playing it, barely stopping to eat. Seemed like a good mix of mechanics and modern videogame progression rewards. The shipping to Australia is a little pricy, but I aim to buy a set of the physical versions (they're each randomized) to use as flashbangs for future boredom.
- Triesault 2y agoIf you found this interesting, you should also checkout the Sidekick Notepad from CGP Grey / Cortex [1]. CGP Grey has talked about this before in earlier videos [2] but recently updated a video discussing new designs [3]. The idea of 'Paper Apps' and the 'Sidekick' seem to be in a similar vein. [1] https://cottonbureau.com/p/XT9MRF/journal/sidekick-notepad https://cottonbureau.com/p/XT9MRF/journal/sidekick-notepad [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwpe8r50_o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwpe8r50_o [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk4lBV5wgGM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk4lBV5wgGM
- heyarviind2 2y agoI made the digital version of the golf game https://paper-golf.netlify.app/ https://paper-golf.netlify.app/
- jamesgeck0 2y agoThis is part of an entire genre; solo roll-and-write board games. Here's some other popular titles you can print off yourself: PNP Arcade's Dungeon Pages [1], Dangerous Space [2], and Power Creep [3] (each of which also have year-long sets). They're sort of one-page tactical dungeon crawlers. Each successive set iterates on the theme, with Dangerous Space being more tactical and Power Creep introducing a crafting system. Anything from Postmark games [4]. Most of these can also be played with a group, competing for a high score. In particular, Voyages simulates sailing the high seas looking for treasure, Aquarmarine is about diving as deep as possible to see sea life, and Waypoints is about choosing optimal routes on a hike in national park. Bargain Basement Bathysphere, which has a long campaign. [5] This Shut Up and Sit Down video has a good overview of some others, too. [6] 1. https://www.pnparcade.com/products/dungeon-pages-core-set https://www.pnparcade.com/products/dungeon-pages-core-set 2. https://www.pnparcade.com/products/dangerous-space-core-set https://www.pnparcade.com/products/dangerous-space-core-set 3. https://www.pnparcade.com/products/power-creep-core-set https://www.pnparcade.com/products/power-creep-core-set 4. https://www.postmarkgames.com/ https://www.postmarkgames.com/ 5. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mWjzWDWmzcPDCPeCkZ1LAD7ZLRl5L2qR/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mWjzWDWmzcPDCPeCkZ1LAD7ZLRl... 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNghPlwbYe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNghPlwbYe8
- amadeuspagel 2y ago> Paper Apps™ are a fun, smart alternative to screen time. But I need to reduce chair time, not screen time.
- beretguy 2y agoNot paper but maybe some readers of this thread could find interest in Simon Tatham's Puzzles: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/