7 ms·
For those who have lived and worked in multiple EU countries, the benefits of EU membership are clear, including the relatively simple process of moving between
by Ecstatify 2y ago
For those who have lived and worked in multiple EU countries, the benefits of EU membership are clear, including the relatively simple process of moving between countries.
- aramattamara 2y agoThat’s Schengen zone, some countries are in Schengen but not in EU.
- Ecstatify 2y ago"As an EU national, you're entitled to work — for an employer or as a self-employed person — in any EU country without needing a work permit." ref: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/work-abroad/index_en.htm#:~:text=As%20an%20EU%20national%2C%20you,without%20needing%20a%20work%20permit https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/work-abroad/index....
- whenc 2y agoIceland already has freedom of movement (to live and work) due to its EEA membership; and it is only somewhat to do with Schengen, which is about passport free travel not living and working. You can have FoM without Schengen - e.g Romania until 1st Jan 2025.
- Symbiote 2y agoNo, the right to live and work is not related to Schengen. Ireland isn't in Schengen, but a French person can move there tomorrow for work or study etc. They have to show a passport at border control, but otherwise face a very similar situation as they would moving to Germany (fill in some papers, get a local tax id etc).
- tsimionescu 2y agoMinor nitpick: you don't need a passport to travel to/from EU countries not in Schengen as an EU national - your national ID will do.
- Symbiote 2y agoIn practise I forget that, as neither of the two countries relevant to me issue(d) national identity cards (UK, Denmark).
- mrtksn 2y agoSchengen is more about removing border controls so that EU can be more like USA in this regard. EU is about alignment with each other on common issues and resources like fishing waters, agriculture, trade deals, right etc. They each have many implementation details, like if you are in EU but not in Schengen you don't have access to certain common databases. The desire of countries cherrypicking and sovereignty made Europe very complex structure, I can't wait to have Federal Europe with every country in it with a simplified structure. Can be like US, can be like Switzerland or Germany maybe but thise structures over structures is just way too much and its begging for simplification. Apparently, %36 of Spanish businesses haven't heard of the Schengen area and another %18 have heard of it but don't know what is it: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3177 https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3177
- greybox 2y agoIceland is already in Schengen, it's a bit like Norway in that respect, without the benefit to it's currency that all the oil brings
- Ecstatify 2y agoUsing the same currency makes it easier to figure out what you’re paying and spot if you’re getting ripped off on holidays. For example: €100 EUR = 41,172.31 HUF (Hungarian Forint)
- input_sh 2y agoTechnically, the whole country could just switch to Euros without even being in the EU. Granted, the only two countries to do so (Montenegro and Kosovo) never bothered with creating their own currency to begin with, they went straight to Euros post-independence (with some disgruntlement from the EU). And then there's also two (Bulgaria and Bosnia) which are technically not using Euros, but their currencies are pegged to Euros and stupidly simple to convert (1 EUR = 1.95583 BAM/BGN, so just multiply/divide by 2).
- madars 2y agoDenmark is also in ERM II and 1 EUR ~ 7.46 DKK with a very tight band https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Exchange_Rate_Mechanism?useskin=monobook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Exchange_Rate_Mechani...
- jefftk 2y agoI wonder why they pegged at 1.96 instead of 2?
- _Microft 2y agoThey had pegged their currency to the DM (Deutsche Mark) and 1.95583:1 is still exactly the same exchange rate as when DM were converted to Euro.
- 2y ago
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- dkkergoog 2y ago[dead]
- seppel 2y agoSchengen has independent of the EU status. Eg. you can move freely from Germany to Switzerland (without obligatory border check) but not between Germany and EU-member Cyprus (there is the obligatory border check).
- tpm 2y agoFreedom of movement is not the same as Schengen.
- victorbjorklund 2y agoThe person you are replying said "moving" as in you relocate to another country. Not going on vacation. Swiss people can not just move to say denmark one day and start working there. They need work visas etc for that.
- bmoxb 2y agoI assume they're referring to actually residing and working in other EU countries, rather than just visiting.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago> Schengen has independent of the EU status. Schengen governs border controls, not the right to work and residency, which is a function of EU membership, not Schengen membership.
- 2y ago
- IdiocyInAction 2y agoIceland is in the EEA so EU FoM is already a thing.
- monsecchris 2y agoThis is the fantasy that is commonly perpetuated but it is the opposite to reality.
- mmastrac 2y agoCould you elaborate?
- monsecchris 2y agoI have worked in Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and France. Belgium took 3 years to process the form for national insurance which caused me to draw down about 20,000 Euros. I couldn't drive my European vehicle in Belgium because I didn't have Belgium license plate which was required for insurance. Rather than working for the first 3months, I had to visit the gemeentehuis every alternate day to push some piece of paperwork to some government authority. I couldn't park my car in Belgium outside my property because I didn't have permission to do so because it wasn't a Belgian vehicle. In order to rent a property I needed a Belgian bank account, which I could only get if I was a Belgian resident, forcing me to live in a hotel temporarily and using that as my address. I required my accounts to be signed off by a Belgian notary, of which there is a government enforced limit, so to speak to one for a microsecond cost 1000 Euros minimum. At the time, operating a British company in Belgium cost 17,000 Euros fee. I still receive paperwork from the Belgian government more than 10 years after leaving. The other countries aren't much better, and the only country that was easy to start working in was the UK.
- KennyBlanken 2y agoSo in other words: research what is required before moving to and trying to do business in, another country - or hire a professional to do it for you? You seem very unaware that your experience is not typical by any means.
- lukan 2y agoHis words were debating the claim above: "the relatively simple process of moving between countries." But I wonder, how long ago that was?