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38th Chaos Communication Congress

353 points by joeig 2y ago

firefax 2y ago
>To see our schedule, please either enable JavaScript or go here for our NoJS schedule. Great design. Too often sites force me to temporarily whitelist their JS to get basic info.
- lolinder 2y ago
  This is way better than usual, but still a step down from what could be: just load the NoJS schedule with the initial page load and then replace it with your React app or whatever it is if JS is enabled. You can have the same banner at the top letting people know there's more functionality with JS. The only downside is more info over the wire, but it's not that much more, especially as a fraction of the already-slow load times for the JavaScript version.
  - diggan 2y ago
    I'm guessing they, like most websites, try to cater to the most common type of visitor of their website. Most of which has JavaScript enabled, even though I'm sure the percentage of visitors with JS enabled is much much lower than on other websites.
    - lolinder 2y ago
      Right, but what they actually did strikes me as a slightly weird halfway measure for supporting the NoJS use case. Optimizing away the NoJS page does not gain any significant amount of speed for the average-case visitor, but it does communicate to the NoJS user that while they're at least a citizen (an improvement over most of the web to be sure!) they're still a second-class citizen. Again, this is much better than nothing. I'm just pointing out that this design pattern isn't as good as it could be, and if someone reading this wants to implement full support for the NoJS users they can do so by just making the NoJS landing page be the default and replacing it with the interactive app's content root.
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joeig 2y ago
Schedule: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/schedule/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/schedu... Many talks are usually available in the live stream and on demand.
rurban 2y ago
Livestreams will be here https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/ https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/
TheAceOfHearts 2y ago
What talks are people most interested in? It looks like Joscha Bach [0] is continuing his "From Computation to Consciousness" series. I've enjoyed some of his older talks so I'll probably check out this new entry as well. A few of the science talks related to biology also seem really interesting, although it reminds me of how much I'm lacking in understanding and knowledge of the topic. It looks like there's a big focus on mixing generative AI with biology research, and I don't know enough to disambiguate whether there truly innovative work happening or if this is an attempt to ride the AI hype cycle. Does anyone here have experience and knowledge on the topic to suggest whether the talks are worth checking out? [0] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/3TSPQW/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/3...
- ElectRabbit 2y ago
  For me it's all the embedded and crypto stuff.
  - stogot 2y ago
    Crypto as in keys, not crypto as in coins? Can’t believe I have to ask that these days
- dlmotol 2y ago
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- n_plus_1_acc 2y ago
  I would expect most of them bring critical and sceptical about AI, just like the general vibe here on HN.
- Mathnerd314 2y ago
  https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/HTWLCG/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/H... looks fun. Also https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/P9WRAY/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/P...
Zolomon 2y ago
The ticketing system was horrible, it really was not fair this year around.
- sevg 2y ago
  Out of curiosity, what was horrible and unfair about it? (Genuine question, I don’t know anything about how it was done.)
  - zhouzhao 2y ago
    Also curios, since I got 3 trickets for me and friends. It's as always, go somewhere with a good ping, refresh at the specific time. Worked in every sale..
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    It's really a pretty strong web of trust system, if you know anyone who's volunteered previous years there are vouchers floating around by word of mouth. If you don't know anyone in the community, purchasing a ticket online is a crapshoot. IMO this is a feature not a bug.
    - pantalaimon 2y ago
      It’s an inventive to volunteer
      - arlcode 2y ago
        It really isn't. Tickets are not that hard to get and you are not required to do anything once you have one. I believe some core orga members (aka The people contracting the venue, getting permissions and renting equipment etc) are guaranteed a ticket but almost everybody else has to buy their own. The fact that the "hacker space community" gets preferential treatment is very much intended.
      - aveao 2y ago
        Other way around: Easier tickets is an incentive for volunteers, as a bit of a payment in kind. It helps people known to volunteer come back, and it encourages them to keep volunteering year after year. You need to work, honestly, ridiculous amounts of hours to get a voucher (15-20 hours), and so it'd not be a very good incentive for average person. You can absolutely get tickets on public sales by knowing when sales start, refreshing on the dot and doing the captcha as fast as you can. Reducing your latency (ethernet, fresh browser profile without extensions) helps. Add some friends into the mix and you'll get all the tickets you need.
Y_Y 2y ago
I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to be generally both good at English and pragmatic about choice of language and I'm glad to see that they haven't ceded the ground entirely. On the other hand you might consider a language as a network whose utility grows with number of nodes. Or you believe in the inevitability of Gresham's Law driving out good currency with bad. I have sympathy for this point, and in an emergency in a mixed nationality group would certainly shout "fire" in English first. As an example I'll be interested to watch this one about data protection for age verification: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/SJ8PGD/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S... but feel it would be a shame if the reach was limited by the choice of language. AFAIR they don't do multilingual restreams (automated or otherwise) like some other online events. (Übrigens kann ich doch Deutsch, trotzdem mein Standpunkt bleibt.)
- sneak 2y ago
  Just because people are good at English doesn't mean their English skills are up to giving a permanently-archived talk to tens of thousands of people at the 1st or 2nd most important hacker con on the planet. I'm all for giving a presentation in the language you're best at. Let machine translation (or manual translation) pick up the slack, not one person's possibly-mediocre ESL skills. I also can speak German but I avoid doing so when technical accuracy is paramount, because sometimes, small details really matter.
  - hengheng 2y ago
    I'm a native speaker and I hate how people have been stumbling through their presentations, lacking basic vocabulary, being dragged along by their bullet points. It wasn't even the accent, it was that the language occupied their minds so much that they couldn't think about what they had to say or how they were saying it. Lots of talks felt like watching a ninth grader in front of the classroom. Now some of these guys weren't amazing presenters in German either, but my point is that they should not have to be. Some people simply are dry explainers and they don't naturally entertain. Nothing wrong with that at all, especially with such nerdy topics. But in those cases, I'd much prefer a lengthy blog article, or maybe a podcast interview with a capable host. Please, CCC, don't send these people on a stage that they don't enjoy when you could also work with them to get their stuff across. And with how much is consumed as VOD, I don't think the live talk brings a lot to the table anymore. There could be live Q&A sessions for those who read article or heard the podcast interview. (I'd argue the same for an academic context by the way - anything above seminar size is either a celebration or a sermon, but not a discussion.) My best experience at CCC was to literally stumble over bunnie on the side of a hallway where he was sitting against the wall, introducing his own ARM laptop to a dozen of people or two. And don't tell me this doesn't scale - he has also gotten his message across in ways that scale. But there was finally a natural way of asking questions in a back and forth manner that wasn't in front of a 500 people audience.
dtquad 2y ago
38 years of advocacy for more degrowth and regulations in Europe.
- xnacly 2y ago
  Can you elaborate?
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
    CCC has a mix of talks from deeply technical to political/societal, and the latter are heavily left/environmentalist slanted.
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      Yeah it's pretty activistic in a progressive way but that goes hand in hand with hacker culture. At least in Europe. It's part of the attraction for me. Though I don't go to CCC but I do to other events.
    - xnacly 2y ago
      Yeah but thats a good thing :)
      - saturn8601 2y ago
        No it is not. It leads to blind spots and a poor understanding of whats really happening in the world when you are presenting niche ideas as if they are the future thats just around the corner. CCC really needs to vet these speakers better or else just give up and invite anyone to present nonsense.
- ralfd 2y ago
  Your snark is a bit unfair. But I also noted how far-left and anti-capitalistic many talks/speaker are. I guess it shows the power differential between US vs Europe/Germany and also the difference between disrupting American and risk-averse European culture? Super smart people in the Bay Area found startups to get rich (and invent the future). Super smart people in Germany can only go into academia and research how to decolonize digital activism.
flawn 2y ago
Banger program once again! WOW!
sourcepluck 2y ago
Keep meaning to go to this. What a great thing, the talks are often wonderful!
- namibj 2y ago
  Then get your calendar entries for 39c3 and subscribe to the relevant information channels to be notified of when those details have been worked out.
a9ex 2y ago
Which talks are you looking forward to watch?
FlorianRappl 2y ago
This is actually one of the few conferences where I really like pretty much every talk. These are not mainstream, yet all of them convey so much knowledge and information. End of the year is always reserved for watching CCC talks...
Simon_O_Rourke 2y ago
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- mauricioc 2y ago
  Now I really want to go to a "Sexuality, Gender and Hacking the RP2350" talk. Maybe next year?
- blacklion 2y ago
  There are a lot of "Red" (Ethics, Society & Politics) talks. And a lot of "Yellow" (Art & Beauty) too. I don't say it is bad thing, as all "our" tries to be "be out-of-politic" and "don't bring politic to our beloved technology" is why we are where we are now (in rather sad world, IMHO).
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- lispm 2y ago
  You have a narrow view of "proper hacker talks" and the purpose of the Chaos Computer Club. The congress is representative for what is of interest for CCC members.
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wunderwuzzi23 2y ago
Still bummed that the CFP was only 10 days this year, and I totally missed it.
sylware 2y ago
What about the 0-days trading backroom? Still a thing since now you have more special services agents than anything else... or mafia...
bijant 2y ago
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- diggan 2y ago
  Events like these have always been politicized, but I guess in a different direction than what you are personally seeing now. Is there any 3rd party articles/posts about the events you're describing?
  - mxfh 2y ago
    If you think the ccc was ever not political, I don't know what to tell you. I just hope you mistook the congress for some random tech-sponsored event for lack of better knowledge. It's founder worked for taz, probably the largest most left-wing newspaper in the BRD at the time. The founding call was puplished in there, the club never shied away from positioning itself clearly on the left in political discussions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wau_Holland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wau_Holland
    - diggan 2y ago
      Yes, this is more or less what I was trying to say, but painting it even broader and saying Hacker events like these as a whole are political in nature, not just CCC.
- arrrg 2y ago
  You went into women only spaces with the obvious intent to troll. Quote: „Deshalb ist der Chaos Computer Club nach seiner Satzung und nach dem Willen der Mitglieder eine galaktische Gemeinschaft für alle Lebensformen. Als solche wollen wir allen Teilnehmenden eine sichere und schöne Erfahrung auf unseren Veranstaltungen bieten, unabhängig von Alter, geschlechtlicher und sexueller Identität, körperlichen und geistigen Voraussetzungen, ethnischer, regionaler und/oder religiöser Zugehörigkeit bzw. Herkunft, äußerlicher Erscheinung oder sozioökonomischer Stellung. Wer sich dieser Offenheit nicht verpflichtet fühlt, hat bei uns nichts zu suchen.“ Translation: “That is why the Chaos Computer Club, according to its constitution and the will of its members, is a galactic community for all life forms. As such, we want to offer all participants a safe and enjoyable experience at our events, regardless of age, gender and sexual identity, physical and mental abilities, ethnic, regional and/or religious affiliation or origin, physical appearance or socio-economic status. Anyone who does not feel committed to this openness has no place with us.” Anyone who goes into protected spaces with the intent to troll and score political points is an obvious (metaphorical) bomb thrower who should have no place in any events that want to provide all participants a “safe and enjoyable experience”. “Open to all creatures” does obviously not mean anyone can come. Anyone who themselves cannot be open to all creatures has to be aggressively excluded from such events. That is the only way to defend openness.
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amai 2y ago
Here is the schedule https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/schedule/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/schedu... Interesting talks e.g. "Breaking NATO Radio Encryption"
lakomen 2y ago
It will be glorious. I have quite a few recordings I'd like to watch

353 points by joeig 2y ago

>To see our schedule, please either enable JavaScript or go here for our NoJS schedule. Great design. Too often sites force me to temporarily whitelist their JS to get basic info.

lolinder 2y ago
This is way better than usual, but still a step down from what could be: just load the NoJS schedule with the initial page load and then replace it with your React app or whatever it is if JS is enabled. You can have the same banner at the top letting people know there's more functionality with JS. The only downside is more info over the wire, but it's not that much more, especially as a fraction of the already-slow load times for the JavaScript version.
- diggan 2y ago
  I'm guessing they, like most websites, try to cater to the most common type of visitor of their website. Most of which has JavaScript enabled, even though I'm sure the percentage of visitors with JS enabled is much much lower than on other websites.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    Right, but what they actually did strikes me as a slightly weird halfway measure for supporting the NoJS use case. Optimizing away the NoJS page does not gain any significant amount of speed for the average-case visitor, but it does communicate to the NoJS user that while they're at least a citizen (an improvement over most of the web to be sure!) they're still a second-class citizen. Again, this is much better than nothing. I'm just pointing out that this design pattern isn't as good as it could be, and if someone reading this wants to implement full support for the NoJS users they can do so by just making the NoJS landing page be the default and replacing it with the interactive app's content root.

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joeig 2y ago

Schedule: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/schedule/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/schedu... Many talks are usually available in the live stream and on demand.

rurban 2y ago

Livestreams will be here https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/ https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/

TheAceOfHearts 2y ago

What talks are people most interested in? It looks like Joscha Bach [0] is continuing his "From Computation to Consciousness" series. I've enjoyed some of his older talks so I'll probably check out this new entry as well. A few of the science talks related to biology also seem really interesting, although it reminds me of how much I'm lacking in understanding and knowledge of the topic. It looks like there's a big focus on mixing generative AI with biology research, and I don't know enough to disambiguate whether there truly innovative work happening or if this is an attempt to ride the AI hype cycle. Does anyone here have experience and knowledge on the topic to suggest whether the talks are worth checking out? [0] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/3TSPQW/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/3...

ElectRabbit 2y ago
For me it's all the embedded and crypto stuff.
- stogot 2y ago
  Crypto as in keys, not crypto as in coins? Can’t believe I have to ask that these days
dlmotol 2y ago
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n_plus_1_acc 2y ago
I would expect most of them bring critical and sceptical about AI, just like the general vibe here on HN.
Mathnerd314 2y ago
https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/HTWLCG/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/H... looks fun. Also https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/P9WRAY/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/P...

Zolomon 2y ago

The ticketing system was horrible, it really was not fair this year around.

sevg 2y ago
Out of curiosity, what was horrible and unfair about it? (Genuine question, I don’t know anything about how it was done.)
- zhouzhao 2y ago
  Also curios, since I got 3 trickets for me and friends. It's as always, go somewhere with a good ping, refresh at the specific time. Worked in every sale..
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  It's really a pretty strong web of trust system, if you know anyone who's volunteered previous years there are vouchers floating around by word of mouth. If you don't know anyone in the community, purchasing a ticket online is a crapshoot. IMO this is a feature not a bug.
  - pantalaimon 2y ago
    It’s an inventive to volunteer
    - arlcode 2y ago
      It really isn't. Tickets are not that hard to get and you are not required to do anything once you have one. I believe some core orga members (aka The people contracting the venue, getting permissions and renting equipment etc) are guaranteed a ticket but almost everybody else has to buy their own. The fact that the "hacker space community" gets preferential treatment is very much intended.
    - aveao 2y ago
      Other way around: Easier tickets is an incentive for volunteers, as a bit of a payment in kind. It helps people known to volunteer come back, and it encourages them to keep volunteering year after year. You need to work, honestly, ridiculous amounts of hours to get a voucher (15-20 hours), and so it'd not be a very good incentive for average person. You can absolutely get tickets on public sales by knowing when sales start, refreshing on the dot and doing the captcha as fast as you can. Reducing your latency (ethernet, fresh browser profile without extensions) helps. Add some friends into the mix and you'll get all the tickets you need.

Y_Y 2y ago

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to be generally both good at English and pragmatic about choice of language and I'm glad to see that they haven't ceded the ground entirely. On the other hand you might consider a language as a network whose utility grows with number of nodes. Or you believe in the inevitability of Gresham's Law driving out good currency with bad. I have sympathy for this point, and in an emergency in a mixed nationality group would certainly shout "fire" in English first. As an example I'll be interested to watch this one about data protection for age verification: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/SJ8PGD/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S... but feel it would be a shame if the reach was limited by the choice of language. AFAIR they don't do multilingual restreams (automated or otherwise) like some other online events. (Übrigens kann ich doch Deutsch, trotzdem mein Standpunkt bleibt.)

sneak 2y ago
Just because people are good at English doesn't mean their English skills are up to giving a permanently-archived talk to tens of thousands of people at the 1st or 2nd most important hacker con on the planet. I'm all for giving a presentation in the language you're best at. Let machine translation (or manual translation) pick up the slack, not one person's possibly-mediocre ESL skills. I also can speak German but I avoid doing so when technical accuracy is paramount, because sometimes, small details really matter.
- hengheng 2y ago
  I'm a native speaker and I hate how people have been stumbling through their presentations, lacking basic vocabulary, being dragged along by their bullet points. It wasn't even the accent, it was that the language occupied their minds so much that they couldn't think about what they had to say or how they were saying it. Lots of talks felt like watching a ninth grader in front of the classroom. Now some of these guys weren't amazing presenters in German either, but my point is that they should not have to be. Some people simply are dry explainers and they don't naturally entertain. Nothing wrong with that at all, especially with such nerdy topics. But in those cases, I'd much prefer a lengthy blog article, or maybe a podcast interview with a capable host. Please, CCC, don't send these people on a stage that they don't enjoy when you could also work with them to get their stuff across. And with how much is consumed as VOD, I don't think the live talk brings a lot to the table anymore. There could be live Q&A sessions for those who read article or heard the podcast interview. (I'd argue the same for an academic context by the way - anything above seminar size is either a celebration or a sermon, but not a discussion.) My best experience at CCC was to literally stumble over bunnie on the side of a hallway where he was sitting against the wall, introducing his own ARM laptop to a dozen of people or two. And don't tell me this doesn't scale - he has also gotten his message across in ways that scale. But there was finally a natural way of asking questions in a back and forth manner that wasn't in front of a 500 people audience.

dtquad 2y ago

38 years of advocacy for more degrowth and regulations in Europe.

xnacly 2y ago
Can you elaborate?
- tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
  CCC has a mix of talks from deeply technical to political/societal, and the latter are heavily left/environmentalist slanted.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Yeah it's pretty activistic in a progressive way but that goes hand in hand with hacker culture. At least in Europe. It's part of the attraction for me. Though I don't go to CCC but I do to other events.
  - xnacly 2y ago
    Yeah but thats a good thing :)
    - saturn8601 2y ago
      No it is not. It leads to blind spots and a poor understanding of whats really happening in the world when you are presenting niche ideas as if they are the future thats just around the corner. CCC really needs to vet these speakers better or else just give up and invite anyone to present nonsense.
ralfd 2y ago
Your snark is a bit unfair. But I also noted how far-left and anti-capitalistic many talks/speaker are. I guess it shows the power differential between US vs Europe/Germany and also the difference between disrupting American and risk-averse European culture? Super smart people in the Bay Area found startups to get rich (and invent the future). Super smart people in Germany can only go into academia and research how to decolonize digital activism.

flawn 2y ago

Banger program once again! WOW!

sourcepluck 2y ago

Keep meaning to go to this. What a great thing, the talks are often wonderful!

namibj 2y ago
Then get your calendar entries for 39c3 and subscribe to the relevant information channels to be notified of when those details have been worked out.

a9ex 2y ago

Which talks are you looking forward to watch?

FlorianRappl 2y ago

This is actually one of the few conferences where I really like pretty much every talk. These are not mainstream, yet all of them convey so much knowledge and information. End of the year is always reserved for watching CCC talks...

Simon_O_Rourke 2y ago

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mauricioc 2y ago
Now I really want to go to a "Sexuality, Gender and Hacking the RP2350" talk. Maybe next year?
blacklion 2y ago
There are a lot of "Red" (Ethics, Society & Politics) talks. And a lot of "Yellow" (Art & Beauty) too. I don't say it is bad thing, as all "our" tries to be "be out-of-politic" and "don't bring politic to our beloved technology" is why we are where we are now (in rather sad world, IMHO).
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lispm 2y ago
You have a narrow view of "proper hacker talks" and the purpose of the Chaos Computer Club. The congress is representative for what is of interest for CCC members.
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wunderwuzzi23 2y ago

Still bummed that the CFP was only 10 days this year, and I totally missed it.

sylware 2y ago

What about the 0-days trading backroom? Still a thing since now you have more special services agents than anything else... or mafia...

bijant 2y ago

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diggan 2y ago
Events like these have always been politicized, but I guess in a different direction than what you are personally seeing now. Is there any 3rd party articles/posts about the events you're describing?
- mxfh 2y ago
  If you think the ccc was ever not political, I don't know what to tell you. I just hope you mistook the congress for some random tech-sponsored event for lack of better knowledge. It's founder worked for taz, probably the largest most left-wing newspaper in the BRD at the time. The founding call was puplished in there, the club never shied away from positioning itself clearly on the left in political discussions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wau_Holland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wau_Holland
  - diggan 2y ago
    Yes, this is more or less what I was trying to say, but painting it even broader and saying Hacker events like these as a whole are political in nature, not just CCC.
arrrg 2y ago
You went into women only spaces with the obvious intent to troll. Quote: „Deshalb ist der Chaos Computer Club nach seiner Satzung und nach dem Willen der Mitglieder eine galaktische Gemeinschaft für alle Lebensformen. Als solche wollen wir allen Teilnehmenden eine sichere und schöne Erfahrung auf unseren Veranstaltungen bieten, unabhängig von Alter, geschlechtlicher und sexueller Identität, körperlichen und geistigen Voraussetzungen, ethnischer, regionaler und/oder religiöser Zugehörigkeit bzw. Herkunft, äußerlicher Erscheinung oder sozioökonomischer Stellung. Wer sich dieser Offenheit nicht verpflichtet fühlt, hat bei uns nichts zu suchen.“ Translation: “That is why the Chaos Computer Club, according to its constitution and the will of its members, is a galactic community for all life forms. As such, we want to offer all participants a safe and enjoyable experience at our events, regardless of age, gender and sexual identity, physical and mental abilities, ethnic, regional and/or religious affiliation or origin, physical appearance or socio-economic status. Anyone who does not feel committed to this openness has no place with us.” Anyone who goes into protected spaces with the intent to troll and score political points is an obvious (metaphorical) bomb thrower who should have no place in any events that want to provide all participants a “safe and enjoyable experience”. “Open to all creatures” does obviously not mean anyone can come. Anyone who themselves cannot be open to all creatures has to be aggressively excluded from such events. That is the only way to defend openness.

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amai 2y ago

Here is the schedule https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/schedule/ https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/schedu... Interesting talks e.g. "Breaking NATO Radio Encryption"

lakomen 2y ago

It will be glorious. I have quite a few recordings I'd like to watch