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lispm
2y ago
> However, the point of all this discussion is that Lisp doesn't provide good enough language servers for modern editors, They use the "language server" model since a long time, before Microsoft's LSP existed. Thus th
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2y ago
> That's exactly what I get out of the IDEs I've used for decades. This whole argument is so weird, disingenuous, and full of vague strawmen. Just because I don't see the value in investing the time that you have doesn
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2y ago
Can't say what and Interlisp did, but the MIT Lisp Machine and here the commercial variant Genera. Files are versioned. The Lisp machine file system has versions (same for DEC VMS and a few other file systems). Nowadays the file versio
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2y ago
That has been done in the past and was never widely supported. But the landscape is now slightly different. One approach might be to use ASDF (the most popular systems management tool), which then would need to be upgraded to use versions
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2y ago
There is already confusion. Things are different and the same words (executable, native, image, ...) mean slightly different things. In the CL world it is usually relatively easy to create an executable. For example in SBCL I would just run
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2y ago
> The way it's integrated with the host platform makes it better for most use cases IMHO. That may be. ABCL is running on the host system and can reuse it, but it aims to be a full implementation of Common Lisp, not a blend of a sub
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2y ago
> I didn't say "type declarations can lead to a messy middle ground in Common Lisp" - obviously they exist there for a reason, but, maybe they DON'T exist in Clojure, also for good reasons, no? What were those reasons
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2y ago
> And yet UCSD Pascal was using a P-machine. So, the problem was the implementation and not the concept. Which was exactly my point. My point is that implementations don't come from nothing. You can't just demand them to be the
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2y ago
> not to include type declarations because they can lead to a messy middle ground? What? Type declarations in CL (which came from prior Lisp dialects) were added, so that optimizing Lisp compilers can use those to create fast machine cod
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2y ago
> Lisp would have been really good relative to BASIC interpreters at the time I see no evidence for that. Lisp was a pain on tiny machines with bad user interface. > 64K is solid for a Lisp if you own the whole machine. I had a Lisp o
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2y ago
> Lots of us hated doing assembly language programming but had no real alternative. I kind of fail to see Lisp as an alternative to assembler on mid 80s micros. Though, there were several cheap Lisps for PCs...
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2y ago
> The OP has a good criticism of why this is a bad idea. It's an old idea, mostly from LISP land, where early systems saved the whole LISP environment state. Source control? What's that? Symbolics Genera can save (incremental a
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2y ago
A bunch of things work in implementations, while but are not standard conforming.
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lispm
2y ago
actually, according to the LOOP syntax, the REPEAT clause has to follow the FOR clause...
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2y ago
> So I can replace my #3 above to wrap something with quotes instead of parentheses. That's M-" .
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2y ago
> if he was using Clojure he wouldn't be having the problems with nconc that he talks about" Yeah, one would write the implementation in Java. Common Lisp (and Lisp in general) often aspires to be written in itself, efficiently
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2y ago
upto 4tb storage
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2y ago
all four now use lexical scope. Scheme also supports dynamic scope. 1-lisp or 2-lisp is also a difference, though all support lexical closures and function objects. Racket now has a variant without s-expressions. That's also a huge dif
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2y ago
> common lisp, emacs lisp, racket and scheme are different languages with exact same syntax Far from it. On the s-expression level there are already differences. On the actual language level, Common Lisp for example provides function def
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2y ago
yeah, what you say makes no sense, since it has nothing to do with reality.
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2y ago
A reputation has to be earned again and again.
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2y ago
I would trust a company more if their random features sending data are opt-in. A non-advertized feature, which is not independently verified, which about image contents? I would be prefer independent verification of their claims.
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lispm
2y ago
Could you motivate someone to do those fixes?
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2y ago
The CDU is a large party, not a particular large "organization" in terms of full-time CDU employees. The bureaucracy of the CDU is in no way responsible for nominating/selecting the EU President of the Commission. Ursula on d
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2y ago
The "CDU bureaucracy" ? What is that? The CDU is a political party. Generally about the appointment of the commission: https://commission.europa.eu/about/organisation/how-commissi...
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2y ago
Look at the thousands of years of Europe. People were moving in Europe, to Europe and from Europe. If they did not had the freedom to do so, it was often done by force. Wars, slave trade, migrations, ... that has been in our history for tho
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2y ago
Currently 20 of 27 EU members have the Euro adopted. > an EU member state (present or future) cannot be forced to adopt the Euro Future members can be forced. They won't become EU members, without a clear will to adopt the policies
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2y ago
> The Swedish government has said repeatedly they don't plan to join despite being legally obliged to do so. Sweden is long in the EU. CURRENTLY the expectation to new member states to join the Euro when joining the EU is different
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2y ago
> I preferred the culture and diversity that came from each country having its own national identity. We still have or national identity. I live in Hamburg/Germany. Our identity is largely European since hundreds of years (see for e
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2y ago
Usage of mines for example...
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