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I really wanted JMAP to work, but FastMail can't innovate on a protocol level while providing a stale and boring product. They need to motivate people to use F
by rawkode 2y ago
I really wanted JMAP to work, but FastMail can't innovate on a protocol level while providing a stale and boring product.
They need to motivate people to use FastMail to boost JMAP adoption and they've failed to do that for a decade.
They post their 12 days of Christmas blog every year and never a new feature to be found.
If you can't add shiny features to your service with a new shiny protocol that promises to break down silos, then it doesn't stand a chance.
What will replace IMAP will be what changes email forever, and we've not seen that yet in an open protocol.
We should revisit Google / Apache Wave
- ghjfrdghibt 2y agoI don't get your point. Fastmail provide, foremost, an email service. Boring is good here. Exciting and shiny I don't need.
- rawkode 2y agoThen you are also fine with IMAP. No new protocol needed.
- ghjfrdghibt 2y agoI'm happy with pop too.
- chillfox 2y agoNope, IMAP can't provide the kind of smooth reliable experience that the Fastmail mobile app provides. Now they obviously could have done it in many different ways, but I know from experience with IMAP that it can't do it. The amount of times IMAP has resulted in duplicate emails when moving mail between folders for me is enough that I eventually gave up on attempting any kind of organization back when I was last using it.
- louis-lau 2y agoMy anecdote is that that has never happened to me and all IMAP clients seem fairly stable to me. Do with that information what you will.
- chillfox 2y agoI sometimes feel like an edge case detector. Anyway, It has been some years since I last used IMAP. I had issues with Outlook, Thunderbird and Nylas N1 while connecting to Gmail, Exchange and Office365. It was a fairly small mailbox getting about 20k mail a year and keeping about half of that. Usually moving about 5k mail around at a time (end of year). It got so bad that I had to get familiar enough with the IMAP protocol to make my own client program to handle deduplication overnight. Shortly after that I decided to just give up on trying to keep thinks organized. I am in Australia and this was before the NBN, so obviously it was always on shitty connections.
- chillfox 2y agoAs one of their customers, I really appreciate that they don't upend everything all the time with pointless features. Constantly reinventing things and piling on pointless features is one of the things I dislike most about Google, their chat solution is especially egregious for this. It only causes frustration and increases the time investment required to be proficient with the products.
- rawkode 2y agoThey don't need a new protocol to deliver a stable and sufficient product for their customers, I agree. I'm suggesting that a new protocol needs hype for adoption and reinventing email needs new capabilities
- jolmg 2y agoThey have added features though. They're just not invasive. They added masked emails, for example. And if I look at the settings right now, I notice they've added customization of what swipes do. I too like the feeling that they're stable. I guess they're just tactful with their additions.
- chillfox 2y agoI don't mind new features, but I do very much mind when those new features change the UI, upend how things work or just add clutter. Not invasive is a good way of putting it, I don't mind new features that are not invasive.
- snapplebobapple 2y agoI switched a couple years ago because the masked emails and i was tired of histing anonaddy and i couldnt be happier myself. Easily the best mail provider i have used and i have used a bunch of them (including all the big guys, a provider using zimbra,protonmail, etc)