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The police won’t help you. It’s not their job.

wahnfrieden 2y ago
They will at best waste your time, and at worst they will cause you and your family harm for involving them. In Toronto even a stolen car is not enough to get their attention if you are not a high-profile business owner.
- bagels 2y ago
  At best they will help you with stolen property, but that is rare.
  - wahnfrieden 2y ago
    Mythically rare. They're more likely to steal from you.
happyopossum 2y ago
Move, or elect better local politicians. Your city is broken.
- sneak 2y ago
  Different local politicians won’t change the legal fact that the police have no obligation whatsoever to investigate or prevent crime. It’s simply not in the job description.
  - 9dev 2y ago
    Err… what is their job, then, if not investigating and preventing crime? That pet theory with the slave patrols of yours, by the way, isn’t it; that’s a hoax. The modern police in the USA and other countries stems from the British police, which did exactly what they are supposed to do, since ages.
    - sneak 2y ago
      The police are the enforcement arm of the ownership class. They apply the law as required to enforce the the socioeconomic order. This is why when people who aren’t custodians of land or cash flows ask them to investigate or solve crimes they rarely do. The selective application of the law is how the current prerogatives of the ownership class are implemented in society. This is why it’s illegal to do cocaine at work if you’re a poor person flipping burgers, but not if you’re an investment banker.
- serf 2y ago
  we can't all live in Bedford Falls, and the police aren't there for the benefit of the every-person no matter where you live. it's a nice bit of propaganda that they're there for us, but I urge anyone with that idea to seek out and research the history and origins of the modern police. hint : in the US they first emerged as 'slave patrols', and then later modernized into 'industrial labor controls', and things weren't all that much better across the ocean in London with Sir Robert Peel and his version of the 'police service'.
  - gottorf 2y ago
    > the history and origins of the modern police > in the US they first emerged as 'slave patrols' > Sir Robert Peel and his version of the 'police service' I assume that prior to the "modern" police, policing was still necessary, since there were lawbreakers and troublemakers since time immemorial. What do you regard as the substantive difference between the pre-modern police force and the modern? Did the former somehow serve "all of us" better than the latter?
    - lazide 2y ago
      Typically law enforcement was DIY, done by a mob, or done at the behest/in the interest of a local strongman (king or lord). That led to extremely selective enforcement at the best of times. The idea of a professional, independent force that served the public and preferred formal laws was the innovation. Previously you’d need to either deal with it yourself, or track down a local patron and hope they cared enough to assign some muscle to deal with it on your behalf - and didn’t favor the perp more. Think ‘Godfather’. In those cases, written law was rarely a priority either.
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  Better to get rid of the police and let people get actual justice themselves.
  - DaSHacka 2y ago
    I'm sure that would end wonderfully.
    - throwaway48476 2y ago
      It worked for thousands of years.
- dennis_jeeves2 2y ago
  We need humans 2.0 for that to happen.
GeekyBear 2y ago
It depends on the city. > Police to give out free air tag tracking devices to combat rise in stolen vehicles https://www.princewilliamtimes.com/news/police-to-give-out-free-air-tag-tracking-devices-to-combat-rise-in-stolen-vehicles/article_88963a38-84d5-11ef-bf0a-87adfb3409d6.html https://www.princewilliamtimes.com/news/police-to-give-out-f...
FabHK 2y ago
I was in Singapore in 2013 and there was a big sign on a street saying: Crime Alert THEFT OF BICYCLE AT THIS NEIGHBOURHOOD ON 20 MARCH 2013 @ 7 AM Witnesses, please call Tanglin Police Division (phone number redacted)
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They will at best waste your time, and at worst they will cause you and your family harm for involving them. In Toronto even a stolen car is not enough to get their attention if you are not a high-profile business owner.

bagels 2y ago
At best they will help you with stolen property, but that is rare.
- wahnfrieden 2y ago
  Mythically rare. They're more likely to steal from you.

happyopossum 2y ago

Move, or elect better local politicians. Your city is broken.

sneak 2y ago
Different local politicians won’t change the legal fact that the police have no obligation whatsoever to investigate or prevent crime. It’s simply not in the job description.
- 9dev 2y ago
  Err… what is their job, then, if not investigating and preventing crime? That pet theory with the slave patrols of yours, by the way, isn’t it; that’s a hoax. The modern police in the USA and other countries stems from the British police, which did exactly what they are supposed to do, since ages.
  - sneak 2y ago
    The police are the enforcement arm of the ownership class. They apply the law as required to enforce the the socioeconomic order. This is why when people who aren’t custodians of land or cash flows ask them to investigate or solve crimes they rarely do. The selective application of the law is how the current prerogatives of the ownership class are implemented in society. This is why it’s illegal to do cocaine at work if you’re a poor person flipping burgers, but not if you’re an investment banker.
serf 2y ago
we can't all live in Bedford Falls, and the police aren't there for the benefit of the every-person no matter where you live. it's a nice bit of propaganda that they're there for us, but I urge anyone with that idea to seek out and research the history and origins of the modern police. hint : in the US they first emerged as 'slave patrols', and then later modernized into 'industrial labor controls', and things weren't all that much better across the ocean in London with Sir Robert Peel and his version of the 'police service'.
- gottorf 2y ago
  > the history and origins of the modern police > in the US they first emerged as 'slave patrols' > Sir Robert Peel and his version of the 'police service' I assume that prior to the "modern" police, policing was still necessary, since there were lawbreakers and troublemakers since time immemorial. What do you regard as the substantive difference between the pre-modern police force and the modern? Did the former somehow serve "all of us" better than the latter?
  - lazide 2y ago
    Typically law enforcement was DIY, done by a mob, or done at the behest/in the interest of a local strongman (king or lord). That led to extremely selective enforcement at the best of times. The idea of a professional, independent force that served the public and preferred formal laws was the innovation. Previously you’d need to either deal with it yourself, or track down a local patron and hope they cared enough to assign some muscle to deal with it on your behalf - and didn’t favor the perp more. Think ‘Godfather’. In those cases, written law was rarely a priority either.
throwaway48476 2y ago
Better to get rid of the police and let people get actual justice themselves.
- DaSHacka 2y ago
  I'm sure that would end wonderfully.
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    It worked for thousands of years.
dennis_jeeves2 2y ago
We need humans 2.0 for that to happen.

GeekyBear 2y ago

It depends on the city. > Police to give out free air tag tracking devices to combat rise in stolen vehicles https://www.princewilliamtimes.com/news/police-to-give-out-free-air-tag-tracking-devices-to-combat-rise-in-stolen-vehicles/article_88963a38-84d5-11ef-bf0a-87adfb3409d6.html https://www.princewilliamtimes.com/news/police-to-give-out-f...

FabHK 2y ago

I was in Singapore in 2013 and there was a big sign on a street saying: Crime Alert THEFT OF BICYCLE AT THIS NEIGHBOURHOOD ON 20 MARCH 2013 @ 7 AM Witnesses, please call Tanglin Police Division (phone number redacted)

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