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> Why dumb TV's won't make a comeback --- price. I'm cool with it provided I can use it as a very high quality HDMI display. Then I just got a nicely discounte

> Why dumb TV's won't make a comeback --- price. I'm cool with it provided I can use it as a very high quality HDMI display. Then I just got a nicely discounted product. My worry is if they demand connectivity in order to work as a display. Or worse come with some kind of LTE transceiver to phone home then we're in trouble.

pixelatedindex 2y ago
Unfortunately, only a matter of time.
jqpabc123 2y ago
I'm cool with it provided I can use it as a very high quality HDMI display. Most will work --- but not always *conveniently*. On power up, a lot them will launch into setup if connectivity is not configured. Some may actually store/retrieve the TV configuration in their cloud.
AtlasBarfed 2y ago
I'm wondering if HDCP is paradoxically to the rescue here? So the main concern with keeping it in dumb mode I would think is that they could still snoop in on your streams through the plain old HDMI port. But if the HDMI is encrypted..... With their antipiracy standard .... God that would be amazing. Also, I'm kind of surprised there isn't a raspberry pi open source project that does what those 20$ Roku fobs do. Finally ... It kind of shows that hardware hacking is going downhill that there isn't a replacement os for the major brands of smart TVs. It's possible they've locked that down, but also the price points are so low you'd think they don't have the money to keep them out.
- jqpabc123 2y ago
  So the main concern with keeping it in dumb mode I would think is that they could still snoop in on your streams through the plain old HDMI port. So they snoop. There's no value to be had in it if they can't report back to the mother ship. Without a line of communication, the "personalized" ads premise fails.
- account42 2y ago
  This doesn't make sense at all. HDCP doesn't change anything for the TV - either way the TV must be able to decode the signal to display it which means it can also analyze it and/or use subchannels supported by the other side for nefarious means.

pixelatedindex 2y ago

Unfortunately, only a matter of time.

jqpabc123 2y ago

I'm cool with it provided I can use it as a very high quality HDMI display. Most will work --- but not always *conveniently*. On power up, a lot them will launch into setup if connectivity is not configured. Some may actually store/retrieve the TV configuration in their cloud.

AtlasBarfed 2y ago

I'm wondering if HDCP is paradoxically to the rescue here? So the main concern with keeping it in dumb mode I would think is that they could still snoop in on your streams through the plain old HDMI port. But if the HDMI is encrypted..... With their antipiracy standard .... God that would be amazing. Also, I'm kind of surprised there isn't a raspberry pi open source project that does what those 20$ Roku fobs do. Finally ... It kind of shows that hardware hacking is going downhill that there isn't a replacement os for the major brands of smart TVs. It's possible they've locked that down, but also the price points are so low you'd think they don't have the money to keep them out.

jqpabc123 2y ago
So the main concern with keeping it in dumb mode I would think is that they could still snoop in on your streams through the plain old HDMI port. So they snoop. There's no value to be had in it if they can't report back to the mother ship. Without a line of communication, the "personalized" ads premise fails.
account42 2y ago
This doesn't make sense at all. HDCP doesn't change anything for the TV - either way the TV must be able to decode the signal to display it which means it can also analyze it and/or use subchannels supported by the other side for nefarious means.