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I was giving you the benefit of doubt all this time, but your comments about my country confirms to me that you're misinformed. For all I hate Erdoğan and his a

I was giving you the benefit of doubt all this time, but your comments about my country confirms to me that you're misinformed. For all I hate Erdoğan and his attempts to undermine democracy, and I want to see him gone sooner or later, Turkey is as much an Islamic authoritarian state as USA is a Christian authoritarian one under the rule of Trump. There seems to be a tendency to exaggerate the realities on the ground for some reason, and I suspect this is fueled by bots.

lukan 2y ago
I said going the authorian islamic way, not that you are already a califat. Sorry for the missunderstanding, I am aware that turkey is all in all still quite democratic and secular and we seem to both not like the direction Erdogan is heading. My point was, Erdogans influence over the SNA is not comforting me. Btw. I just read, a pro SNA news source: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/russia-astana-format-meeting-in-qatar-agrees-to-step-up-efforts-to-stabilize-syria/3417600 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/russia-astana-format-meeti... It seems the war will continue.
- j_maffe 2y ago
  Why are you relating authoritarianism with "Islamic way" or even the Caliphates? I've never seen anyone make this claim before, which is, to be honest, quite absurd. Edit: Also your linked article no longer reflects the current stance of Russia.
  - lukan 2y ago
    That link I gave is propaganda BS. It claims the syrian army gave the terrorists( SDF) control over the new areas, while in reality they fought with US support against iranian and syrian regime militias. So that iran could not send support without fighting their way through it, maybe a turning point in this war. It was just to illustrate that Erdogans goals are not peace, after Assad is gone.
    - j_maffe 2y ago
      That's all well and good. Could you please reply to my other question? I'm very curious where this notion is coming from.
      - lukan 2y ago
        The claim that Erdogan is more open towards being a sultan and open towards more influence of Islam into the government?
      - j_maffe 2y ago
        The sentence "I said going the authorian islamic way,", implies that there is an "authoritarian Islamic" way. What is that? Because it sounds like you're implying that the religion has intrinsic authoritarian aspects to it.
        lukan 2y ago
        "Because it sounds like you're implying that the religion has intrinsic authoritarian aspects to it." No, it implies the focus on the authorian aspects of Islam, just like certain groups in the US would like a authorian christian rule of law.
kwerab 2y ago
The issue is that in the West people hear one of Erdogan's pep-talk speeches against Israel on CNN and assume that he means everything. They don't know that Turkey has been delivering oil to Israel all the time and that Israel is in favor of the current events in Syria. If all of Turkey, the U.S. and Israel support the Syrian rebels, we may assume that the goal is to install a U.S. friendly government (perhaps supervised by Turkey) and have more buffer states against Iran.

lukan 2y ago

I said going the authorian islamic way, not that you are already a califat. Sorry for the missunderstanding, I am aware that turkey is all in all still quite democratic and secular and we seem to both not like the direction Erdogan is heading. My point was, Erdogans influence over the SNA is not comforting me. Btw. I just read, a pro SNA news source: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/russia-astana-format-meeting-in-qatar-agrees-to-step-up-efforts-to-stabilize-syria/3417600 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/russia-astana-format-meeti... It seems the war will continue.

j_maffe 2y ago
Why are you relating authoritarianism with "Islamic way" or even the Caliphates? I've never seen anyone make this claim before, which is, to be honest, quite absurd. Edit: Also your linked article no longer reflects the current stance of Russia.
- lukan 2y ago
  That link I gave is propaganda BS. It claims the syrian army gave the terrorists( SDF) control over the new areas, while in reality they fought with US support against iranian and syrian regime militias. So that iran could not send support without fighting their way through it, maybe a turning point in this war. It was just to illustrate that Erdogans goals are not peace, after Assad is gone.
  - j_maffe 2y ago
    That's all well and good. Could you please reply to my other question? I'm very curious where this notion is coming from.
    - lukan 2y ago
      The claim that Erdogan is more open towards being a sultan and open towards more influence of Islam into the government?
    - j_maffe 2y ago
      The sentence "I said going the authorian islamic way,", implies that there is an "authoritarian Islamic" way. What is that? Because it sounds like you're implying that the religion has intrinsic authoritarian aspects to it.
      - lukan 2y ago
        "Because it sounds like you're implying that the religion has intrinsic authoritarian aspects to it." No, it implies the focus on the authorian aspects of Islam, just like certain groups in the US would like a authorian christian rule of law.

kwerab 2y ago

The issue is that in the West people hear one of Erdogan's pep-talk speeches against Israel on CNN and assume that he means everything. They don't know that Turkey has been delivering oil to Israel all the time and that Israel is in favor of the current events in Syria. If all of Turkey, the U.S. and Israel support the Syrian rebels, we may assume that the goal is to install a U.S. friendly government (perhaps supervised by Turkey) and have more buffer states against Iran.