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It's not mentioned in this article but it seems Michael Lynch's codefendant in the HP trial Stephen Chamberlain died a few days earlier - https://www.theguardia
by Rattled 2y ago
It's not mentioned in this article but it seems Michael Lynch's codefendant in the HP trial Stephen Chamberlain died a few days earlier - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/05/mike-lynch-associate-hit-by-car-died-from-traumatic-head-injury-inquest-hears https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/05/mike.... Seems to be a genuine coincidence though.
- rijoja 2y ago[flagged]
- geysersam 2y agoThere is no motive, assuming multinational corporation typically murder people for profit, and not just out of spite.
- rijoja 2y agoA few people working for boeing met early unexpected ends as well...
- nkrisc 2y agoHow many people total work for Boeing? What’s the typical rate at which people die while employed or recently employed by Boeing?
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y agoAnd how many of these recently-employed and recently-deceased people were whistle-blowers? I mean, I don't know, it's Boeing, it could be a high percentage.
- rijoja 2y agoIt's not that a huge part of their business-idea is, and has been to build machines designed to kill large amounts of people either.
- nkrisc 2y agoBoeing is a company, and companies don’t make decisions. People do. So who at Boeing is motivated enough to take on the personal liability of a first degree murder conviction?
- mywacaday 2y agoI don't believe there were murders but to speculate I would imagine that large shareholders and not employees would be the more likely culprits.
- mandmandam 2y ago> who at Boeing is motivated enough to take on the personal liability of a first degree murder conviction Say an exec at Boeing paid someone to pay someone to 'handle' the situation. "Will no one rid me of these meddlesome whistleblowers - oops I dropped my huge luggage case of unmarked bills" kind of thing... I'm not saying they did, to be very clear, just answering this hypthetical. Where would you put the odds of that person ever facing "a first degree murder conviction"? If it's anywhere over 1%, I think you might be naive, and would benefit from looking at actual conviction rates for serious crimes (~2%) [0]. Even if they were incredibly sloppy about it, the motivation to admit in front of the world that Boeing did this to multiple whistleblowers is strongly in the wrong direction. And as others have pointed out, repeatedly, Boeing is in the business of killing people. Billions of easy dollars are at stake. So, who at Boeing might be motivated enough to take the <1% chance to keep raking in billions of dollars, protect America's 'reputation' (such as it is), and personally keep cashing in 6 or 7 figures a year? Any of them. Damn near all of them. Easily over 80%. It's not a job for people of conscience. 0 - https://theconversation.com/police-solve-just-2-of-all-major-crimes-143878 https://theconversation.com/police-solve-just-2-of-all-major...
- gruez 2y ago>and would benefit from looking at actual conviction rates for serious crimes (~2%) [0]. Murders have much better clearance rates than other "serious crimes" (whatever that means), so the chances of getting caught is probably far higher than 2%. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-...
- geysersam 2y agoBut that had a clear motive: stopping them from testifying.
- rijoja 2y agoIdk if you think someone owes you 4 billion, maybe you'd start thinking about not letting it slide, and make an example out of him. His co-defendant, did within a few days as well, which is interesting. People die for a lot less, and if you have money on that magnitude, perhaps you can get someone to stage an accident, people die for a lot less.
- deskr 2y agoThat assumption is wrong is if you look at the world as whole. A big big old Soviet country comes to mind. High ratio of 5th floor window related accidents.
- geysersam 2y agoDo you think those 5th floor murders were out of spite? I don't think so. Probably they had a very clear motive: Preventing the victims from threatening the current government and scaring others to fall back in line. I don't think it can be reasonably argued HP murdered the people who scammed them to scare people from trying to scam them in the future.
- notnaut 2y agoHumans murder humans for all sorts of idiotic reasons. Are you so confident a corporation cannot hold a grudge, or more simply, see value in “sending a message?” Maybe the net benefit is more cowardly journalists and whistleblowers across the board.
- gorgoiler 2y agoI would gently remind you and others to read the room carefully on this topic. While a lot of people on HN didn’t know Mike, Stephen, or their families personally, a lot of people who knew them personally are on HN.
- rijoja 2y agoI'm sure the thought has crossed their mind already.
- Rattled 2y agoNo sarcasm intended, from the details of both incidents they seem unrelated and not meant to send a message. Whatever the motives it seems unlikely anyone could arrange a storm to target the yacht.