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Amazon Layoffs: Tech Firm to Cut 14,000 Manager Positions by 2025, Says Report
- tgma 2y agoImagine the bottom 14000 managers from Amazon on the loose getting jobs elsewhere and spreading the worst parts of its culture around in other companies. Effectively unleashes a biological virus at other FAANGs and smaller companies. Good job Amazon.
- linotype 2y agoTo the contrary, the ex-Amazon managers I’ve worked with explicitly tell me they avoid implementing ideas from Amazon in terms of management.
- 39896880 2y agoYes. Ex-Amazon here. The part where I horse-trade putting engineers on PIP so I can keep my UAR up -- I don't spread that to other companies because it's toxic as fuck and leads to my friends on H1Bs getting deported.
- phendrenad2 2y agoWhat makes you think they're really the bottom?
- tgma 2y agoWhat makes you think otherwise, statistically?
- phendrenad2 2y agoThere isn't any reason to believe that companies can or even want to identify the lowest performers, especially when doing mass headcount reduction.
- tgma 2y agoThere isn't any reason to believe... There's no reason to believe the sky is blue. ...even want to identify... Short of cuts of an entire division, sounds like fairy tales. Now, they might want to claim they have or have not done so; that's a different issue.
- phendrenad2 2y agoWhat are you even talking about?
- tgma 2y agoI am simply suggesting your assertion is self-evidently false.
- phendrenad2 2y agoBy that logic, so is yours. We should talk to the World's Records people to see if we set a record for biggest waste of time.
- tgma 2y agoPerhaps you should. It's obvious that all companies at very least desire to know who is the high performer and who is not. To deny that for a trillion dollar successful company is just ridiculous.
- phendrenad2 2y agoWell, I wish for a lot of things, doesn't mean I get them.
- tgma 2y agoWell, this is what you stated previously: "there isn't any reason to believe that companies can or even <<<<want>>>> to identify the lowest performers." And yes, there is at least some evidence to believe they do that identification somewhat successfully: their business is working.
- belter 2y agoIs it any worst than the ex Facebook and Google employees? "Meta to Lay Off Another 10,000 Workers" - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/14/technology/meta-facebook-layoffs.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/14/technology/meta-facebook-... "Google lays off hundreds of ‘Core’ employees" - https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/01/google-cuts-hundreds-of-core-workers-moves-jobs-to-india-mexico.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/01/google-cuts-hundreds-of-core...
- tgma 2y agoGoogle and Facebook do not indoctrinate their managers with Amazon management policies.
- BugsJustFindMe 2y agoHow any company has 14000 extra managers is just beyond me.
- tonyedgecombe 2y agoAmazon has 1.5 million employees, they probably have 100,000 managers.
- chucke1992 2y agowow, 1.5m crazy
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago> Jassy also introduced a "bureaucracy tipline" that allows employees to report unnecessary procedures that hinder their work, according to the report. Would anyone actually use that? For example if you were complaining about the bureaucracy of dealing with your manager's process, you might face retaliation. Or worse, a lot of the bureaucracy may actually be due to the edicts of higher up executives. Or is this just a stunt to virtue signal efficiency?
- rkwz 2y agoIs there more info on how this "bureaucracy tipline" works? More often in big companies, the processes keeps getting bigger and more convoluted as time passes by. Usually the change in process is approved by higher ups, but they might not have full visibility of the process as they're not the ones who are going through these processes (people below them are).
- taway1874 2y agoSigh! 105K managers currently and with the 14K cuts it will still be around 91K. As a manager myself, I fully understand and appreciate the value they bring but not matter how large your workforce having 90K+ managers is insanity. Hopefully they are focussing on the middle management and not first-line managers.