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Plus what thief is checking your carrier before running away with it?

by forgot-im-old 2y ago

lazide 2y ago
They just can’t make enough money off it, so find some other crime to do. Assuming it’s common enough.
- night862 2y ago
  The point is, it doesn't matter. They're selling a Locked iPhone instead of an Un-Locked iPhone. Is the Locked Phone devalued because it is locked to AT&T or is the Unlocked phone at a premium because it is not?
  - lazide 2y ago
    It does matter, by depressing market value - if widespread enough to cause overall market value to be depressed. Not sure what you’re getting hung up about. You clearly already know what’s going on or you wouldn’t be able to write the last sentence.
    - ezfe 2y ago
      Because carrier-locked phones to major carriers don't suffer a severely depressed price. AT&T has high market share it doesn't matter enough if a phone is locked to AT&T to prevent theft and depress resale prices.
    - Forgeties79 2y ago
      If that was how these things shook out you two wouldn’t have anything to debate.
      - lazide 2y ago
        Honestly, I’m not even seeing the point of the debate. Even their argument implies they’re well away of it.
        night862 2y ago
        The point is that the cost of stolen goods is zero or near zero in this case. The profit margin approaches infinity.
        lazide 2y ago
        Opportunity cost and cost of consequences are far from zero. Most criminals clear less than they would working minimum wage. It only appears to approach infinity if you ignore reality and consequences, which is often how criminals think. But it is not the actual truth, eh?
        night862 2y ago
        Not at all, no petty theft is deterred by the criminal thinking, “oh no, what if it’s locked!” They aren’t making a wage at all. They are doing something else.
        lazide 2y ago
        They are spending time trying to get money by stealing and fencing things. If they can’t turn around and sell/fence it for much, that definitely deters the ‘business model’. If someone is doing this for 12 hours/day and clearing $100/day (or less) all said and done, that limits who and where that will happen. If they are clearing $2000/day, that expands the pool a lot eh? You can definitely see it in areas with predominantly iPhones as phone theft just isn’t a thing since Apple did their remote bricking thing.
        Forgeties79 2y ago
        >Most criminals clear less than they would working minimum wage. I know people hate "Source?" as a reply but I think this claim really needs a source. There is also the assumption that everyone has access to a job, which depending on where you are and what you're background is (we are very hostile to people with disabilities, physical "deformities" that people find unpleasant to look at, felony convictions, etc.) may or may not be true. A lot of folks turn to theft out of desperation.
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Plus what thief is checking your carrier before running away with it?

lazide 2y ago

They just can’t make enough money off it, so find some other crime to do. Assuming it’s common enough.

night862 2y ago
The point is, it doesn't matter. They're selling a Locked iPhone instead of an Un-Locked iPhone. Is the Locked Phone devalued because it is locked to AT&T or is the Unlocked phone at a premium because it is not?
- lazide 2y ago
  It does matter, by depressing market value - if widespread enough to cause overall market value to be depressed. Not sure what you’re getting hung up about. You clearly already know what’s going on or you wouldn’t be able to write the last sentence.
  - ezfe 2y ago
    Because carrier-locked phones to major carriers don't suffer a severely depressed price. AT&T has high market share it doesn't matter enough if a phone is locked to AT&T to prevent theft and depress resale prices.
  - Forgeties79 2y ago
    If that was how these things shook out you two wouldn’t have anything to debate.
    - lazide 2y ago
      Honestly, I’m not even seeing the point of the debate. Even their argument implies they’re well away of it.
      - night862 2y ago
        The point is that the cost of stolen goods is zero or near zero in this case. The profit margin approaches infinity.
        lazide 2y ago
        Opportunity cost and cost of consequences are far from zero. Most criminals clear less than they would working minimum wage. It only appears to approach infinity if you ignore reality and consequences, which is often how criminals think. But it is not the actual truth, eh?
        night862 2y ago
        Not at all, no petty theft is deterred by the criminal thinking, “oh no, what if it’s locked!” They aren’t making a wage at all. They are doing something else.
        lazide 2y ago
        They are spending time trying to get money by stealing and fencing things. If they can’t turn around and sell/fence it for much, that definitely deters the ‘business model’. If someone is doing this for 12 hours/day and clearing $100/day (or less) all said and done, that limits who and where that will happen. If they are clearing $2000/day, that expands the pool a lot eh? You can definitely see it in areas with predominantly iPhones as phone theft just isn’t a thing since Apple did their remote bricking thing.
        Forgeties79 2y ago
        >Most criminals clear less than they would working minimum wage. I know people hate "Source?" as a reply but I think this claim really needs a source. There is also the assumption that everyone has access to a job, which depending on where you are and what you're background is (we are very hostile to people with disabilities, physical "deformities" that people find unpleasant to look at, felony convictions, etc.) may or may not be true. A lot of folks turn to theft out of desperation.

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