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I chose the Hyundai Ioniq 5 as my current car specifically because it’s compatible with OpenPilot. It’s been a total game-changer for my driving experience. Jus
by bks 2y ago
I chose the Hyundai Ioniq 5 as my current car specifically because it’s compatible with OpenPilot. It’s been a total game-changer for my driving experience. Just like their tagline says, “make driving chill,” and for me, it truly delivers on that promise.
- zrt1019 2y agoI'm confused: "THIS IS ALPHA QUALITY SOFTWARE FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES ONLY. THIS IS NOT A PRODUCT. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLYING WITH LOCAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS. NO WARRANTY EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED." Where can this be used? In a private parking lot?
- rogerrogerr 2y agoThe driver takes liability, of course, and this can be used wherever the driver deems it safe and useful.
- diggan 2y ago> this can be used wherever the driver deems it safe and useful With the disclaimer that this depends on the location of course. For example, I think in Spain (and probably EU wide?) modifications that affect steering and throttle control would need to undergo local homologation before you're legally allowed to drive with that on public roads at all. Which, to be honest, makes a lot of sense. I don't think anyone would be happy if cars start using software MVPs automatically controlling throttle and steering while in real traffic.
- edude03 2y agoI mean let’s be frank here. The sort of people who are enthusiastic about this also aren’t going to be stopped by the law especially with the low risk of getting caught.
- diggan 2y agoIf I were to personally install this and use it anyways, my biggest worry would be the additional punishment if I cause an accident. Not sure exactly what the punishment is for driving a vehicle you know isn't road worthy, but I bet it aint pretty.
- targetx 2y agoWhile the chances of getting caught are low, I wouldn't want to risk this for insurance. If you are involved in a crash for any reason I don't think they are going to cover it if you modified this stuff on purpose.
- moffkalast 2y agoAka, this will drive your car into a ditch and it will be your fault.
- rogerrogerr 2y agoIt really bothers me when people make statements like this. I propose a bet: If you’re so confident this will drive my car into a ditch, then front the money for me to buy a compatible car & this kit. If it drives my car into a ditch, I’ll pay you back double that money. That’s an easy bet for you, right?
- moffkalast 2y agoIf a piece of software that has the capacity to kill people is provided without any kind of assurances or warranty with the sole responsibility placed solely on the user, then that already tells me all I need to know, no bet needed to settle it. Would you buy an angle grinder that's specifically been designed to not have a guard so it can be more useful, made by random contributors on the internet without any official certification? I'll stick with the ones that needed to pass the CE mark and you can sue the company responsible if it chops your arm off thank you very much. They at least have a required level of anxiety needed to patch anything serious knowing the level of responsibility they carry and what's coming if they mess up.
- xipix 2y agoTwo thoughts. Suppose I deem it safe and useful for my 6yo to drive for a while, using his Xbox controller from the passenger seat. It is illegal in many countries for a device (or anything else) to obscure any part of the driver's forward view (area swept by wipers). So even without actually controlling the car, we have an unlawful vehicle.
- SkyPuncher 2y agoThey’re just trying to scare away people who thing they can chuck this on their car and suddenly have a self-driving robot that they don’t have to pay attention to.
- torlok 2y agoYou pay a thousand bones for a device you have to babysit. What's confusing about that?
- thatgerhard 2y agoIs it like an app you install on the car or is it a custom integration?
- rvnx 2y agoIt's a dashcam that you put on the windshield with 2 cameras pointing forward and one inward (filming the driver).
- ozzyphantom 2y agoIt’s my understanding that in addition to the cameras it also uses the sensors already built in to the car which would include blind-spot detection, no?
- diggan 2y agoIt says my car is supported and my car doesn't have any blind-spot detection, nor does the requirements list that as needed, so maybe it's optional but not required?
- ranon 2y agoSome cars that have BSD it will work with. My car uses it, but don't forget the lane changes are not automated by default. A user must turn on the blinker and nudge the wheel by default. Positive BSD sensors read on CAN-BUS will be read by OP and it will not perform the rest of the lane change. This is how it works on my car (albeit, I don't run default so I just need the blinker).
- falcor84 2y agoWhat is filming the driver used for? Can you disable that?
- world2vec 2y agoTo ensure the driver has eyes on the road all time. It detects if you're not paying attention and beeps at you. I don't think it can be disabled.
- sofixa 2y agoThis reminds me of Waymo's approach to self-driving cars. Paraphrasing, but basically they found that progressively adding self-driving to help human drivers is bad, because it leads to the humans becoming complacent and not paying enough attention. Therefore they decided on an all or nothing approach, where their cars would be only and entirely self-driven.
- typewithrhythm 2y agoThis always seemed like a bit of bull from waymo. It's not an easy problem to work with existing manufacturers to give a better and or cheaper solution... Especially when there are established competitors with efficient verification and validation processes (that every manufacturer requires). They decided it wasn't worth explaining that their techniques don't generalise to a driver assist. It would not be good or cheap enough to be worth developing the compliance and integration frameworks.
- jowday 2y agoThe first thing Waymo tried building (way back when, circa 2010 or so) was highway based driver assist in the style of Autopilot. They did a ton of testing with it and didn’t like how quickly their testers stopped paying attention despite a ton of instruction not to. I’ve seen clips from these tests. It’s also possible they shifted direction because the long term vision of robotaxis is much more lucrative.