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I’ve heard if you are on focus when you quit you may have a lifetime ban on ever coming back anywhere in Amazon. Is this correct?

unsnap_biceps 2y ago
Yes
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neofrommatrix 2y ago
Amazon always needs bodies. So whatever ban there is, they will “make an exception”..
- lazide 2y ago
  Not necessarily for you. To make an example. There are new people entering the industry all the time, they don’t necessarily need any one given individual again ever.
  - darkstar_16 2y ago
    "Amazon" may not, but the manager, VP, SVP etc may. Careers aren't made by having the right skillset. They're made by having the right set of contacts. YMMV
    - lazide 2y ago
      Sure, but someone leaving on bad terms (especially if they’re relatively junior) isn’t super likely to be one of those people eh? They call it ‘burning bridges’ for a reason.
spike021 2y ago
This may also be the case for URA (unregrettable attribution?). Someone I know left just short of two years for personal reasons, was never put in PIP/Focus, and then they tried joining a new team after and was told when they left their manager put them as URA, which prevents them from coming back. I've heard it can just be a year, though.
- immibis 2y ago
  Unregretted attrition, which means you no longer work there and you're not sorry about it. Which means you are the one with the power in the negotiation (the party with the most power is the one who needs the other the least). So they have a codified sour grapes rule to punish people who they don't have power over? To punish people who weren't begging to please continue being allowed to work there? That is actual insanity right there.
  - iamacyborg 2y ago
    It sounds more like being fired with cause?
    - spike021 2y ago
      Sounds bizarre to me if true. They did standard two week notice, left documentation of work in flight, hadn't slacked off before leaving, etc.
      - rdtsc 2y ago
        If the manager had an URA quota to fill, they might have decided to be an asshole and pad their numbers. As retribution, too, perhaps.
  - lazide 2y ago
    Have you ever dated someone that you can’t quite break up with for whatever reason, and weren’t bad necessarily, but still breath a sigh of relief that it’s over when they dump you? The work equivalent to that is a URA, for a manager. If you’re that manager and now ‘single’ (have open headcount) and looking to find someone to ‘date’, would you hire that person back, or go find someone else - even if they were a complete question mark? If hiring managers/recruiters have more candidates than they can handle, a prior URA can impact a candidate the same way. ‘There are many fish in the sea’ Does that mean you’d never get hired back? Nah, it happens. But it isn’t likely to help.
  - wlonkly 2y ago
zmgsabst 2y ago
I filed a formal complaint Brian O was breaching fiduciary duty in the 10-K and was subsequently fired unceremoniously for my “performance” by two directors on a call the next morning. Amazon tried to hire me back 6 months later, from multiple recruiters. My former manager and I had a good laugh that somehow I wasn’t blacklisted. I wouldn’t worry about it, too much.
indrora 2y ago
I have seen this prove to be false multiple times. The reasonable falloff is ~5Y.

unsnap_biceps 2y ago

Yes

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neofrommatrix 2y ago

Amazon always needs bodies. So whatever ban there is, they will “make an exception”..

lazide 2y ago
Not necessarily for you. To make an example. There are new people entering the industry all the time, they don’t necessarily need any one given individual again ever.
- darkstar_16 2y ago
  "Amazon" may not, but the manager, VP, SVP etc may. Careers aren't made by having the right skillset. They're made by having the right set of contacts. YMMV
  - lazide 2y ago
    Sure, but someone leaving on bad terms (especially if they’re relatively junior) isn’t super likely to be one of those people eh? They call it ‘burning bridges’ for a reason.

spike021 2y ago

This may also be the case for URA (unregrettable attribution?). Someone I know left just short of two years for personal reasons, was never put in PIP/Focus, and then they tried joining a new team after and was told when they left their manager put them as URA, which prevents them from coming back. I've heard it can just be a year, though.

immibis 2y ago
Unregretted attrition, which means you no longer work there and you're not sorry about it. Which means you are the one with the power in the negotiation (the party with the most power is the one who needs the other the least). So they have a codified sour grapes rule to punish people who they don't have power over? To punish people who weren't begging to please continue being allowed to work there? That is actual insanity right there.
- iamacyborg 2y ago
  It sounds more like being fired with cause?
  - spike021 2y ago
    Sounds bizarre to me if true. They did standard two week notice, left documentation of work in flight, hadn't slacked off before leaving, etc.
    - rdtsc 2y ago
      If the manager had an URA quota to fill, they might have decided to be an asshole and pad their numbers. As retribution, too, perhaps.
- lazide 2y ago
  Have you ever dated someone that you can’t quite break up with for whatever reason, and weren’t bad necessarily, but still breath a sigh of relief that it’s over when they dump you? The work equivalent to that is a URA, for a manager. If you’re that manager and now ‘single’ (have open headcount) and looking to find someone to ‘date’, would you hire that person back, or go find someone else - even if they were a complete question mark? If hiring managers/recruiters have more candidates than they can handle, a prior URA can impact a candidate the same way. ‘There are many fish in the sea’ Does that mean you’d never get hired back? Nah, it happens. But it isn’t likely to help.
- wlonkly 2y ago

zmgsabst 2y ago

I filed a formal complaint Brian O was breaching fiduciary duty in the 10-K and was subsequently fired unceremoniously for my “performance” by two directors on a call the next morning. Amazon tried to hire me back 6 months later, from multiple recruiters. My former manager and I had a good laugh that somehow I wasn’t blacklisted. I wouldn’t worry about it, too much.

indrora 2y ago

I have seen this prove to be false multiple times. The reasonable falloff is ~5Y.