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Watch his interview with Tucker Carlson and you’ll see. He doesn’t acquiesce to government requests for moderation control, censorship, and sharing private user
by outside415 2y ago
Watch his interview with Tucker Carlson and you’ll see. He doesn’t acquiesce to government requests for moderation control, censorship, and sharing private user data so they target him. He refuses to implement backdoors as well. In stark contrast to western social media companies.
- smt88 2y ago> He refuses to implement backdoors as well. We have no way to know this, and (unlike Signal), Telegram doesn't give us best-effort assurances by doing things like open-sourcing its code.
- 4ad 2y agoOpen source is irrelevant as the protocol is plain text.
- cbsmith 2y agoWait... you're saying if the protocol is binary, that's different somehow? Either way, you're saying the MTProto is binary? How do you mean that?
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- Timber-6539 2y agoWhat? Literally all Telegram clients are open source.
- konart 2y agoWhat about the server? Telegram is not strictly e2e.
- Timber-6539 2y agoAn "open source server"... are you trolling?
- vilunov 2y ago> Show me an example of an "open source server". XMPP and Matrix services run open source software such as ejabberd
- Timber-6539 2y agoRunning open source software != "Open source server"
- foresto 2y agoIf you bothered to look, you would find that both of the examples given are open-source servers. You might then deduce that you misunderstood the comment to which you replied.
- Timber-6539 2y agoYou cannot audit the system/service logs for those servers, neither can you audit the hardware running those servers, nor the internet providers who can snoop on the traffic et al... That's the argument behind "Open source server" in case it wasn't clear.
- BeetleB 2y ago> We have no way to know this Well, other than his arrest ;-)
- calgarymicro 2y agoThe arrest tells us that he said no to one country, it doesn't say much about all the others.
- smt88 2y agoRussian govt officials are protesting his arrest. When an authoritarian govt is calling for the release of someone who runs a "private" messenger, it suggests they have a back door. Otherwise they tend to oppose all private messaging.
- kombine 2y agoNo, there is no logical link between the two events. Russian govt can protest that for propaganda reasons: to make a point that Western governments are restricting freedom of speech.
- sweeter 2y agoThey're hitting that Uno Reverse card. Tbf, the US does a LOT of the stuff that we openly criticize Russia and China for. Which, I would hope that people have enough insight to recognize that this is a bad thing across the board. The only people who get hurt and face consequences from this kind of a thing are the citizens.
- averageRoyalty 2y agoThis is a key perspective people fail to take into account. We've been conditioned by movies, books etc to think everyone fits into these black and white "good and bad" categories. Most western countries do horrific things we do not find acceptable, but when we do find out we hand wave it away because they're the "good guys".
- lmm 2y agoTelegram publishes open-source clients that can run on open-source platforms. Signal does not offer any client that doesn't depend on proprietary code (either iOS or Google Play Services) and is aggressive about taking down third-party builds that remove that dependency. I'd say there's a lot more reason to assume Telegram is not wilfully backdoored than Signal (though I'd trust Wire or Matrix ahead of either of them).
- outside415 2y agoOnly his word to go off of.
- xorcist 2y agoWe have no real way to check for backdoors in Signal either. Signal is not transparent about what code their servers are running, and you are not allowed to start your own server with a known version. They do not allow for independent distribution of reproducible builds on F-droid, or any other application store that does not identify you. They will take steps to lock out any independent implementations of the client from their servers. That the code for their client is released is good, but not good enough.
- isakkeyten 2y ago> (unlike Signal) Well Tucker Carlson also said he used Signal and his messages were leaked by the government so yeah...
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- hnpolicestate 2y agoA hint of light in the dark.
- lovethevoid 2y agoTelegram still collects and stores private user data, and as per their own privacy policy. This isn't in stark contrast to western companies at all. Additionally, they fulfilled requests made in Brazil, India, and Germany to name some I remember. Again, using the private user data they collect. So what you fell for was just basic marketing (a CEO going on a TV program, as Tucker Carlson isn't even news) to market his app.
- valval 2y agoI find the phrase “isn’t even news” to be quite triggering.
- golergka 2y agoWhich government? There has been a lot of mysterious deanons of protesters in Belarus in 2020. You know, the kind of deanon where armed people break down you door and you're going to be beaten and tortured for several days in the very least.
- octacat 2y agoIn practice it is very easy to deanon using social engineering. It is enough to open a shared link to expose your IP. A lot of people would click something like "Belorussian protestors got deanonized" or "10 ways to keep you safe" in a group chat. Just get it a catchy title. And this link is specially crafted to lead to the exposer server.
- golergka 2y agoNo, I was actually much closer to these news stories, and these deanons in particular are much more sus than that.
- bitnasty 2y agoWho would watch an interview being held by a crazy person and take it at face value? Anyone with half a brain would avoid watching or listening to Tucker Carlson like the plague.
- eviks 2y agoYou can cover your eyes/ears for the crazy part and only open them to the non-crazy person's replies not to get infected