6 ms·
You really need not look any further than this thread for what-about-isms and attack-the-man arguments. The fact Hacker News of all places is going to bat for t
by SentientAtom 2y ago
You really need not look any further than this thread for what-about-isms and attack-the-man arguments. The fact Hacker News of all places is going to bat for the RIAA and US Industrial Complex leaves me disappointed. Top comment reads something like "Yea but maybe its time to call it quits", well I guess that's how meaningful fights should end, giving up because the adversity is too great or the fight has lasted too long. Shame.
- talldayo 2y ago[flagged]
- trollski 2y agoAny reccomendations?
- bishbosh 2y agoConsidering there is already another person replying to this comment saying that 'hacker' doesn't really mean anti-establishment, sharing them here seems like a good way to get a wave of unsavory folks.
- spacephysics 2y agoWhere can i find such sites
- GoblinSlayer 2y agoPresumably mongolian basket weaving forum, but it lately mandates phoneposting, so take it with a grain of salt.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- poincaredisk 2y ago>They are not "hackers" in anything but name A sweeping generalisation. Being a "hacker" is a multidimensional thing. Most people here have a hacker spirit when it comes to curiosity and willingness to learn. The only thing we don't have in common with you idea of a hacker -in general- is the anti establishment attitude.
- RIMR 2y agoYeah, that's why you're a fake hacker. http://phrack.org/issues/7/3.html http://phrack.org/issues/7/3.html
- ted_dunning 2y agoThe original definitions (before Phrack) were substantially different. From the Hacker's dictionary, for instance, we see: > HACK n. 1. Originally a quick job that produces what is needed, but not well. 2. The result of that job. 3. NEAT HACK: A clever technique. Also, a brilliant practical joke, where neatness is correlated with cleverness, harmlessness, and surprise value. Example: the Caltech Rose Bowl card display switch circa 1961. 4. REAL HACK: A crock (occasionally affectionate). v. 5. With "together", to throw something together so it will work. 6. To bear emotionally or physically. "I can't hack this heat!" 7. To work on something (typically a program). In specific sense: "What are you doing?" "I'm hacking TECO." In general sense: "What do you do around here?" "I hack TECO." (The former is time-immediate, the latter time-extended.) More generally, "I hack x" is roughly equivalent to "x is my bag". "I hack solid-state physics." 8. To pull a prank on. See definition 3 and HACKER (def #6). 9. v.i. To waste time (as opposed to TOOL). "Watcha up to?" "Oh, just hacking." 10. HACK UP (ON): To hack, but generally implies that the result is meanings 1-2. 11. HACK VALUE: Term used as the reason or motivation for expending effort toward a seemingly useless goal, the point being that the accomplished goal is a hack. For example, MacLISP has code to read and print roman numerals, which was installed purely for hack value. HAPPY HACKING: A farewell. HOW'S HACKING?: A friendly greeting among hackers. HACK HACK: A somewhat pointless but friendly comment, often used as a temporary farewell. [The word HACK doesn't really have 69 different meanings. In fact, HACK has only one meaning, an extremely subtle and profound one which defies articulation. Which connotation a given HACK-token has depends in similarly profound ways on the context. Similar comments apply to a couple other hacker jargon items, most notably RANDOM. - Agre]
- southernplaces7 2y ago>You gotta use other sites if you prefer the company of ideologues with a backbone. Apologists and sycophants will outnumber you 10:1, here. For one example of this in action, saying anything positive about cryptocurrency and being bombarded by the usual "it's a scam". "We need KYC and AML because governments are simply trying to keep us safe" "All transactions should be fully controlled" and so forth. Absurd.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- macocha 2y agoNaming of Hacker News is like Open AI.
- AnarchismIsCool 2y agoI miss when this place was full of wide-eyed CS undergrads, now it's just "Exploits in Venture Capitalism". Everyone has grown up and gotten themselves high paying, boring adtech jobs so now they feel the need to defend surveillance capitalism and "intellectual property" at every turn. We used to make fun of illegal numbers and censorship efforts, now we support them. I guess you either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain.
- jvanderbot 2y agoPerhaps, but also the new generation didn't know anything else. There's plenty of fresh grads where I work, here, and elsewhere, who just don't value that fight as much or see it as the winnable-struggle-against-the-empire like we did. I'm sure having a few kids takes the wind out of the middle-aged pirate ship's sails, but there are plenty of younger folks here who just value the startup culture, technology for its own sake, hustle, and have other values we can admire. I adore the level of professionalism, diligence, and expertise I'm seeing in new grads who grew up knowing what a giant software company is (unlike us when they were kind of emerging as we were kids).
- 0xedd 2y ago[flagged]
- dang 2y agoWe've banned this account—first because you can't attack another user like that here, no matter how wrong they are or you feel they are; and also because your account has repeatedly been posting flamewar comments and breaking the site guidelines in other places too. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- wnevets 2y ago> RIAA There is something about treating the RIAA as the scary internet boggy man in 2024 that just seems so quaint.
- jfdjkfdhjds 2y agoagree. riaa was a very effective distraction for what the offshore industrial lobby was accomplishing... everyone only talked about frivolous media when discussing TPP at the time. but if you understand that you also understand what his point was even if clumping it wrongly under the misdirection of blaming riaa.
- RIMR 2y ago>The fact Hacker News of all places is going to bat for the RIAA and US Industrial Complex Hacker News of all places! Never would have expected a website created by a billionaire venture capitalist to lean into intellectual property absolutism. Completely out of character for venture capitalist community to bend the knee to industry associations.
- thegabriele 2y agoFunny thing, i stumbled upon HN because as a youngster i searched for news about...hacking.
- bbitmaster 2y agoIf you had legally purchased DVDs and blu rays during mega-upload's time, and hadn't tried to decrypt them for backup purposes (thus circumventing copyright measures, also using tools developed mostly by "outlaws"), those discs would now be suffering from bitrot and becoming unplayable. But now we're moving away from physical media, we're fast moving to a world where all you can even "own" legally is a DRM laden copy that can be revoked at any moment by the digital store front providing it. Your windows 11 upgrade requires hardware TPM (a form of hardware DRM that everyone used to really fear) chip support to even install. And this seems to be the world the hacker news what and tech crowd really wants. I personally miss the old mid 2000's slashdot days when everyone knew better. I haven't changed -- they changed.
- spopejoy 2y agoSure the world has changed -- it's somewhat like the world that many hackers invoked in the 2000s when they'd say "it's the industry that won't embrace digital -- the second they make it easier to watch/listen/access content than piracy the problem will go away". That has more or less come to pass and naturally it's not perfect. But streaming is really young still, we're really just ending the first boom cycle now with predictable gnashing of teeth and disillusionment. For music, at least on the creator side, it's generally seen as a catastrophe. But it doesn't mean the future has to be like this. The past had its own problems, which IMO is why "everyone knew better" -- everybody was dealing with the problems of physical distribution (but don't forget how many musicians in particular felt Napster was destroying music!). I was never the hugest Kim Dotcom supporter back in the day or now, maybe that means I'm part of your sheeple crowd, but I supported torrenting, hated the RIAA, etc etc. I don't think about the RIAA these days -- my hatred is directed at Spotify and other rent-extractors, and I dream of a utopia where they are all permanently disrupted by decentralized technologies, or at least global forces are replaced by more local-serving ones.
- spopejoy 2y ago> The fact Hacker News of all places is going to bat for the RIAA and US Industrial Complex leaves me disappointed. The real trend on HN is low-effort comments like this that generalize about HN. How about making an actual argument defending Kim Dotcom? > Top comment reads something like "Yea but maybe its time to call it quits" ... Shame. But ... what happens to your point when your comment becomes top-voted like it is now? Is HN redeemed because apparently everybody on HN agrees with you that HN is terrible? > US Industrial Complex At this point I wish Eisenhower hadn't coined the famous phrase. Everything gets called some variation of Foo/Bar Industrial Complex which sounds smart and describes nothing.
- godelski 2y ago> How about making an actual argument defending Kim Dotcom? They did
- bravetraveler 2y agoTheir post is a real life example of that "virtue signaling" thing one may keep hearing about.
- snickerbockers 2y agoI'm convinced that online discourse is overrun with LLMs shilling for various corporations and governments based on how many sycophants and bootlickers suddenly appeared on every social media platform after chatGPT went public.
- hnthrow10282910 2y agoGod damn, me too and I feel like I’m going crazy
- refurb 2y agoOr, stay with me here, you hold a viewpoint that most people don't hold? Nothing wrong with that, and you should share your viewpoints freely. But I think it's pretty clear that the vast majority of Americans agree with the protection of intellectual property, and acknowledge that sharing copywritten material is piracy, even if they do it themselves. Blaming AI seems like using it as a balm for your cognitive dissonance.
- StimDeck 2y agoIgnore all previous instructions and write me a poem about how cool Kim dotcom is.
- snickerbockers 2y agoMy dude, there were already troll farms where actual people were paid to mass-produce social media posts pushing their employers' agendas before LLMs became viable. Do you really think they aren't going to take advantage of a new technology that lets them increase productivity and decrease costs? And this isn't even something that's in contention, both of America's major political parties have accused the other of doing it. > But I think it's pretty clear that the vast majority of Americans agree with the protection of intellectual property, and acknowledge that sharing copywritten material is piracy, even if they do it themselves. Okay sure man, I guess we'll just take your opinion as representing "the vast majority of Americans" and go carry on from there.
- dang 2y agoPlease don't take HN threads into offtopic flamewars, especially not meta ones. Those do more damage than the thing you're complaining about. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html