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Microsoft apologises after thousands report new outage
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- gchamonlive 2y agoAm I suffering from confirmation bias from HN bubble, or is Microsoft really going downhill?
- TonyTrapp 2y agoThere's not a single mention of Windows in the article. It rather sounds like a service issue?
- gchamonlive 2y agoMeant to say Microsoft, going to change it thanks
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- duncans 2y agoIt was Azure Front Door: their reverse-proxy/CDN service. I doubt it's running on Windows.
- gchamonlive 2y agoMy bad, I meant to say Microsoft as a company not windows as a product
- vel0city 2y ago> The culprit appears to be network infrastructure Not a lot of the network infrastructure runs on Windows. From previous public statements and information out there, most of Azure's network stack is Linux-based. > Am I suffering from confirmation bias from HN bubble Yes.
- gchamonlive 2y agoMeant to say Microsoft. > Yes. Good to know
- nforgerit 2y agoWhy care if you got monopoly-alike power?
- gchamonlive 2y agoSorry, what do you mean?
- nforgerit 2y agoI'll be getting downvoted for it but imho Ms never really cared about creating good software products and has been shoveling (at best) mediocrity through their wildly successful sales channels and through developing a stranglehold on public institutions (vendor lock-in). Azure is just another angle.
- surfingdino 2y agoThey cared when they had real competition. That was a long time ago.
- gchamonlive 2y agoOh now I get what you meant. Businessmen as well as politicians are not interested in quality, it's just sales numbers and reelection.
- codr7 2y agoI know, but C# is quickly turning into my favorite socially acceptable back end language; and Visual Code is a decent editor, with awesome integrations, another winner. Fucks sake. At least Windows is quickly turning into exactly the kind of dumpster fire I would expect.
- jimnotgym 2y agoBecause people can easily move off Azure...It is a highly competitive market
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- JackSlateur 2y agoWhen was the last time Microsoft was significantly better than the competition (on the tech side) ? To my knowledge, they always were between average and terrible, compared to their competitors
- gchamonlive 2y agoIt seems like they were just more average back then.
- nickstinemates 2y agoMay we all aspire to be average and terrible and also the most valuable company in the world.
- lucianbr 2y agoRobber barons are your ideal? Hopefully not everybodys... This "whatever makes most money is the right thing to do" thinking is bad. We need to do better.
- gchamonlive 2y agoThis notion of value is interesting. It will kill the world while looking very good on the quarterly report.
- hylaride 2y agoThis is mostly immeasurable and unanswerable. They've had lots of good/better tech that's succeeded in the marketplace (Active Directory, DirectX) and hasn't (windows phone 8) for a whole variety of reasons. They have tech that's solid, but more niche, like .NET/C# which is applied more in the enterprise than internet oriented software. The windows NT kernel is a solid piece of engineering compared to other OSes (it was originally designed/developed by Dave Cutler who came from DEC and did VMS and applied/improved a lot of the concepts there), but has often been hindered by shit thrown on top of it. Microsoft has done a lot, both good and bad. But a lot of the reasons they're as successful as they are is for the "bad" stuff, like extreme support for backwards compatibility, getting "good enough" to market while other companies languished in perfectionism or distraction (cough cough apple before 2000).
- everforward 2y agoYou’re either suffering from confirmation bias or were mistaken about how well they were doing. Microsoft has been middling for as long as I can remember. They’re not awful, but they’re also not exceptionally good. They get by on being good enough that it’s easier to use another of their products than to buy in to a better solution. The outages are somewhat new, but I think in large part because they didn’t host a whole lot a decade ago. They mostly sold software that buyers had to manage.
- ranger_danger 2y agoI guess that depends on your definition of downhill.
- awill 2y agoI've always wondered how much of Azure is built on Windows Server (and .NET) vs Linux plus open source languages.
- vel0city 2y agoFrom 2019: > It's not just Microsoft's Azure customers who are turning to Linux. Guthrie explained, "Native Azure services are often running on Linux. Microsoft is building more of these services. For example, Azure's Software Defined Network (SDN) is based on Linux." https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-developer-reveals-linux-is-now-more-used-on-azure-than-windows-server/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-developer-reveals-li...
- Deukhoofd 2y agoLarge chunks of it are still running on .NET, but nowadays, that's an open source cross-platform framework, so they're running it on Linux, mostly within containers.
- hangonhn 2y agoDo you know their reasoning for doing it on Linux? Bigger ecosystem? Performance? I can't imagine licensing fees being an issue.
- nickstinemates 2y agoThe choice of Linux was controversial when Azure was built. It caused a huge issue with the Windows Server team. But it's what customers wanted, and Azure was built very pragmatically.
- SoftTalker 2y agoHotmail ran on Unix for years after Microsoft acquired it. It took quite some time for them to migrate it to Windows server.
- phyzix5761 2y agoTime to introduce our friends and relatives to Linux
- vel0city 2y agoThe platform affected was likely running Linux.
- pixl97 2y agoYa the company I work for has a bunch of .net containers, and it all runs in linux. A lot of people don't realize Microsoft embraced linux.
- gchamonlive 2y agoLet's just hope they don't get to the extinguish stage
- ninju 2y agoProblem with the Azure network infrastructure https://azure.status.microsoft/ https://azure.status.microsoft/
- bobbob1921 2y agoHow is this “another” Microsoft outage? I assume the first outage the article is referring to was the crowdstrike issue (not a Microsoft caused issue). Or perhaps I’m not aware of a different non-crowdstrike Microsoft outage recently?
- SoftTalker 2y agoCrowdstrike caused a Microsoft outage. Most people don't differentiate.
- jerrymcflurry 2y agoNo they haven't. It's Crowdstrike's bug but it's Microsoft's problem that they accepted a change in their kernel without testing.
- vel0city 2y agoCrowdstrike caused a Crowdstrike outage for systems running Crowdstrike. The vast majority of Microsoft products and services were not affected.
- number6 2y agoAt the same time there was a Microsoft Azure outage, but it was minor compared to Croudstrike
- lousken 2y agoThere was an outage just before crowdstrike, google MO821132
- ffhhj 2y agoBigCo criticism removed from upper front page in 3, 2...
- jeromechoo 2y agoToo many people must've turned on their Windows 11 computers at once.