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One less talked about thing when discussing StarCraft, that might be more pertinent to HN audience, is that this game was almost endlessly hackable. And I mean

One less talked about thing when discussing StarCraft, that might be more pertinent to HN audience, is that this game was almost endlessly hackable. And I mean that in the truest sense of that word. Many a careers were launched by playing around with OllyDbg and learning to reverse engineer code all so you could create an awesome plugin [0] for the community. Which brings me to my next point, which is that the community aspect of StarCraft is a huge part of why it remained popular for so long. As previously mentioned, there were hackers and programmers developing awesome tools that helped the scene, but also there were map makers which were essential in keeping the game balanced. One little known fact about StarCraft is that the last balance patch released by Blizzard was in 2001, at the early beginnings of the pro scene. After that, the game was kept fresh and balanced by community map makers. Combine that with people who created websites where you could follow news about Korean pro scene (TeamLiquid has its roots here), talk with other people about StarCraft, and other people who organized tournaments and did everything else; and you get a formula which almost ensures the longetivity of the game. I wouldn't be surprised if there are people playing and following this game in 20 years time. I know I'll be one of them. [0] - https://github.com/TheEngineeringBay/Awesome-Broodwar-Resources https://github.com/TheEngineeringBay/Awesome-Broodwar-Resour...

wes-k 2y ago
SCUMS! (StarCraft Use Map Settings). These maps provided a wide array of games and I believe popularized or gave birth to a few. I remember tower defense, level up games where you and the other players explore the map and gain upgrades, a predator game where one player is chosen randomly to be the killer in a horror style hunt. Imagine, each map, possibly an entire new game, sometimes being discovered for the first time together with strangers. Such a fun and amazing time!
rvba 2y ago
The game also had custom maps that allowed for sandboxed programming / scripting. A lot of very clever custom maps ("use map settings" / UMS) were made. MOBA genere spawned from a Starcraft custom map called Aeon of strife. Starcraft also had a map called "the unknown" which is basically Among Us - made years ago. There were "turret defense" maps, RPG maps, maps where you controlled one unit and tried to dodge things (bound maps) and many other maps that just changed the balance. In the golden times players didnt have to play the cutthroat 1:1 all the timr - you could spend days playing custom maps (archives have tens of thousands of them), custom campaigns, modes with more players like 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4, or even 8 player everyone for themself. Apart from "difficult" maps, there was a whole community playing maps with (nearly) unlimited resources - "fastest maps" and "big game hunters" (BGH). Those maps were easier so no "ladder anxiety" by having to play the best all the time. Starcraft 1 gave a lot of freedom to have fun. You didnt have to participate in the incredibly difficult duels. You could play a custom map, or some 3v3 with your friends - where overall skill level was lower, but fun level was high. Killing custom maps is in my opiniin one of the reasons why Starcraft 2 failed. Blizzard wanted to capitalize on them, but didnt know how. In Starcraft Brood War there was this game list - you could select UMS mode and pick from probably 100 open games. In Starcraft 2 you could only play what blizzard wanted you to play. I guess Blizzard was unhappy that Warcraft 3 spawned the whole DOTA game - which was also a custom map. Regarding hacking - many people learned java writing bots for Diablo 2.
- arwineap 2y ago
  They didn't kill custom maps in sc2, it's just in a section called arcade Use map settings are the only thing keeping sc2 alive right now. The game is now free to play which attracted a bunch of players who don't really know how to play melee
  - setr 2y ago
    They killed custom maps by killing the search mechanism. Not sure if they fixed it now, but on release it custom games were ranked by popularity… which just creates a feedback cycle where only already-popular games would show up anywhere on the top and get sufficient players to run. With no discovery, you ended up with the first acceptable maps, usually remakes of sc/wc3 maps, dominating the list and no way for new maps to compete. The particularly stupid thing is the map editor for SC2 is ridiculously powerful, but afaik nothing interesting came out of SC2 custom map scene.
    - lying4fun 2y ago
      I played this custom map called "Assassins", and it was one of the best things I ever played, I'm not exaggerating. Idk if something similar already existed, or if it came out from SC2, but I was really hoping for someone to make a real game based on it. Everything I can find on the internet is just this one yt video, but it's an older version, I didn't play under 3.0 I think - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX4hpQouvKA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX4hpQouvKA
- lying4fun 2y ago
  > In Starcraft 2 you could only play what blizzard wanted you to play. 5 years ago when I played SC2 for the first time there was plenty of (iirc) “Arcade” maps which were UMS, and I’m pretty sure, community made. Are you perhaps talking about early days of SC2 when that still wasn’t a thing or? One map I was most impressed by and had lots of fun playing it, was called “Assassins”. I won’t explain what it is, but if someone took it to develop a game based on it, I strongly believe(d) that it’d be another hit game that spawned from SC
benreesman 2y ago
My late brother was very serious about hacking and modding the shit out of StarCraft. Thank you for the fun memory I wouldn’t have found otherwise, his birthday is around the corner and you’ve made my day.
almost_usual 2y ago
> As previously mentioned, there were hackers and programmers developing awesome tools that helped the scene, but also there were map makers which were essential in keeping the game balanced. Starcraft came out when I was a kid, the online community of Battle.net is really what got me into programming and development.
Shorel 2y ago
So true, many new game genres originated from StarCraft mods. Tower defense, DoTA, among us, its legacy is legendary :D
BiteCode_dev 2y ago
Tower defense was popularized by Starcraft mods. Dota, and so LOL, is often thought of as something coming from Warcraft 3 Defense of the Ancient, but the concept really started as a starcraft mod as well. Of lot of the gaming culture is born on the original Battle.net. SC 1 was one of the most influential game ever created.
- jhelphenstine 2y ago
  I remember the map “V-TEC paintball” as a forerunner of the DotA and LOL styles - endless waves with you the (battlecruiser | marine | ghost) running around making the difference. HotS, LOL, DotA all seem to trace back to those “paintball” custom maps and the creators who made terrific use of the tools on offer.
- seoulmetro 2y ago
  Yep DotA was just a port of AoS: https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Aeon_of_Strife_(map) https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Aeon_of_Strife_(map)
- ccvannorman 2y ago
  Came here to comment the same. I was making fun of my housemates for being addicted to DOTA (a MOBA game), then during a "Use Map Settings" game of Starcraft I discovered and enjoyed playing a mod called "Aeon of Strife" and shared it with my housemates. DOTA is a direct descendant of Aeon of Strife. I had discovered the original DOTA, inside Starcraft.
inetknght 2y ago
> Many a careers were launched by playing around with OllyDbg and learning to reverse engineer code all so you could create an awesome plugin [0] for the community. My career was launched by StarCraft! I've never been to high school or college. I played waaaaay too much StarCraft in my teens, and ended up writing a bot to maintain the chat room my friends were in. The entire network stack had been reverse engineered, criticized, and documented if you knew where to look. Eventually that documentation made it to the public. I interviewed with Blizzard a decade ago. I heard one of the interviewers state that the community documentation [0] is better than Blizzard's own internal documentation. I now write software to fly drones. It's fun as hell and I'm glad of ye olde Blizzard. I know some are here on HN -- thank you guys for being awesome :) [0]: https://bnetdocs.org/ https://bnetdocs.org/
qsdf38100 2y ago
I’ve recently started watching StarCraft games again. Lee young ho aka Flash aka the GOAT returned from the military, and it’s been fantastic to watch. Artosis is a great commenter as well. There’s something really unique with this game, I feel no other RTS has the same depth. I plan on returning to this game when I retire, in 20 years. See you then.

wes-k 2y ago

SCUMS! (StarCraft Use Map Settings). These maps provided a wide array of games and I believe popularized or gave birth to a few. I remember tower defense, level up games where you and the other players explore the map and gain upgrades, a predator game where one player is chosen randomly to be the killer in a horror style hunt. Imagine, each map, possibly an entire new game, sometimes being discovered for the first time together with strangers. Such a fun and amazing time!

rvba 2y ago

The game also had custom maps that allowed for sandboxed programming / scripting. A lot of very clever custom maps ("use map settings" / UMS) were made. MOBA genere spawned from a Starcraft custom map called Aeon of strife. Starcraft also had a map called "the unknown" which is basically Among Us - made years ago. There were "turret defense" maps, RPG maps, maps where you controlled one unit and tried to dodge things (bound maps) and many other maps that just changed the balance. In the golden times players didnt have to play the cutthroat 1:1 all the timr - you could spend days playing custom maps (archives have tens of thousands of them), custom campaigns, modes with more players like 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4, or even 8 player everyone for themself. Apart from "difficult" maps, there was a whole community playing maps with (nearly) unlimited resources - "fastest maps" and "big game hunters" (BGH). Those maps were easier so no "ladder anxiety" by having to play the best all the time. Starcraft 1 gave a lot of freedom to have fun. You didnt have to participate in the incredibly difficult duels. You could play a custom map, or some 3v3 with your friends - where overall skill level was lower, but fun level was high. Killing custom maps is in my opiniin one of the reasons why Starcraft 2 failed. Blizzard wanted to capitalize on them, but didnt know how. In Starcraft Brood War there was this game list - you could select UMS mode and pick from probably 100 open games. In Starcraft 2 you could only play what blizzard wanted you to play. I guess Blizzard was unhappy that Warcraft 3 spawned the whole DOTA game - which was also a custom map. Regarding hacking - many people learned java writing bots for Diablo 2.

arwineap 2y ago
They didn't kill custom maps in sc2, it's just in a section called arcade Use map settings are the only thing keeping sc2 alive right now. The game is now free to play which attracted a bunch of players who don't really know how to play melee
- setr 2y ago
  They killed custom maps by killing the search mechanism. Not sure if they fixed it now, but on release it custom games were ranked by popularity… which just creates a feedback cycle where only already-popular games would show up anywhere on the top and get sufficient players to run. With no discovery, you ended up with the first acceptable maps, usually remakes of sc/wc3 maps, dominating the list and no way for new maps to compete. The particularly stupid thing is the map editor for SC2 is ridiculously powerful, but afaik nothing interesting came out of SC2 custom map scene.
  - lying4fun 2y ago
    I played this custom map called "Assassins", and it was one of the best things I ever played, I'm not exaggerating. Idk if something similar already existed, or if it came out from SC2, but I was really hoping for someone to make a real game based on it. Everything I can find on the internet is just this one yt video, but it's an older version, I didn't play under 3.0 I think - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX4hpQouvKA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX4hpQouvKA
lying4fun 2y ago
> In Starcraft 2 you could only play what blizzard wanted you to play. 5 years ago when I played SC2 for the first time there was plenty of (iirc) “Arcade” maps which were UMS, and I’m pretty sure, community made. Are you perhaps talking about early days of SC2 when that still wasn’t a thing or? One map I was most impressed by and had lots of fun playing it, was called “Assassins”. I won’t explain what it is, but if someone took it to develop a game based on it, I strongly believe(d) that it’d be another hit game that spawned from SC

benreesman 2y ago

My late brother was very serious about hacking and modding the shit out of StarCraft. Thank you for the fun memory I wouldn’t have found otherwise, his birthday is around the corner and you’ve made my day.

almost_usual 2y ago

> As previously mentioned, there were hackers and programmers developing awesome tools that helped the scene, but also there were map makers which were essential in keeping the game balanced. Starcraft came out when I was a kid, the online community of Battle.net is really what got me into programming and development.

Shorel 2y ago

So true, many new game genres originated from StarCraft mods. Tower defense, DoTA, among us, its legacy is legendary :D

BiteCode_dev 2y ago

Tower defense was popularized by Starcraft mods. Dota, and so LOL, is often thought of as something coming from Warcraft 3 Defense of the Ancient, but the concept really started as a starcraft mod as well. Of lot of the gaming culture is born on the original Battle.net. SC 1 was one of the most influential game ever created.

jhelphenstine 2y ago
I remember the map “V-TEC paintball” as a forerunner of the DotA and LOL styles - endless waves with you the (battlecruiser | marine | ghost) running around making the difference. HotS, LOL, DotA all seem to trace back to those “paintball” custom maps and the creators who made terrific use of the tools on offer.
seoulmetro 2y ago
Yep DotA was just a port of AoS: https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Aeon_of_Strife_(map) https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Aeon_of_Strife_(map)
ccvannorman 2y ago
Came here to comment the same. I was making fun of my housemates for being addicted to DOTA (a MOBA game), then during a "Use Map Settings" game of Starcraft I discovered and enjoyed playing a mod called "Aeon of Strife" and shared it with my housemates. DOTA is a direct descendant of Aeon of Strife. I had discovered the original DOTA, inside Starcraft.

inetknght 2y ago

> Many a careers were launched by playing around with OllyDbg and learning to reverse engineer code all so you could create an awesome plugin [0] for the community. My career was launched by StarCraft! I've never been to high school or college. I played waaaaay too much StarCraft in my teens, and ended up writing a bot to maintain the chat room my friends were in. The entire network stack had been reverse engineered, criticized, and documented if you knew where to look. Eventually that documentation made it to the public. I interviewed with Blizzard a decade ago. I heard one of the interviewers state that the community documentation [0] is better than Blizzard's own internal documentation. I now write software to fly drones. It's fun as hell and I'm glad of ye olde Blizzard. I know some are here on HN -- thank you guys for being awesome :) [0]: https://bnetdocs.org/ https://bnetdocs.org/

qsdf38100 2y ago

I’ve recently started watching StarCraft games again. Lee young ho aka Flash aka the GOAT returned from the military, and it’s been fantastic to watch. Artosis is a great commenter as well. There’s something really unique with this game, I feel no other RTS has the same depth. I plan on returning to this game when I retire, in 20 years. See you then.