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Nobody wants to prop up the board's other investments in commercial real estate and nobody has to care that they're losing their shirts either. Make big cities
by 3lit3krew 2y ago
Nobody wants to prop up the board's other investments in commercial real estate and nobody has to care that they're losing their shirts either. Make big cities safe and clean and affordable again, or they will just rot away and collapse in on themselves. I've been reading about the terrible situation in commercial real estate especially in large cities which are unaffordable and crime-ridden, it sounds like there's no escape for the people who have their wealth trapped inside the walls of buildings nobody wants to visit.
- malfist 2y ago[flagged]
- CuriouslyC 2y agoMaybe if you stay in the heavily policed portions where rich people live. Try going downtown within 3 miles of the ubiquitous homeless encampments though...
- 3lit3krew 2y agoConservatives rarely talk about such things, they're a type of center leftist. I think you meant to say right wingers or, as it's being spelled now across the Internet for reasons I don't understand, rightwingers.
- dkdbejwi383 2y agoThey used a capital C, so could be talking about the tories and not small-c conservativism
- malfist 2y agoOr Google's autocorrect randomly decided to capitalize a word on me. It's gotten really quite terrible
- sofixa 2y agoThis to an extent true - crime statistics are showing a downward trend in general. However, it cannot be denied that some US cities' downtowns are... not great. I was in San Francisco a year ago, and in Los Angeles a few months ago, and I wouldn't want to live in either of those. Mass visible homelessness, visible drug use, etc. are not things people want to see or endure (of course I doubt that the people living through that want it either, in large parts). And I'm saying this as someone living in the Paris area who has visited large parts of the metro area, and knows the "bad" parts around here - it isn't even close how horrifyingly bad LA and SF are.
- some_furry 2y ago> visible drug use, etc. are not things people want to see or endure (of course I doubt that the people living through that want it either, in large parts). This isn't a safety risk in the same way that violent crime is.
- jack_riminton 2y agoAre they not extremely correlated?
- some_furry 2y agoAre they? Or is this a bias? What do the experts say, and what data are they using to base their statements?
- jack_riminton 2y agoI'll let you interrogate the data. But the link is pretty clear and obvious to most https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article/42/1/103/5917211 https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article/42/1/103/5917211
- FredPret 2y agoSome big cities do such a good job managing this. I'm a huge fan of North America in general but US + Canadian cities just don't do a good job with this for some reason. Conservative, liberal, big, small; downtown cores all over North America are doing very poorly. I wonder if it's all down to the opioid crisis over here.
- lolinder 2y agoI walked into a Walmart in urban California last week and the men's socks were stored in locked cabinets. I don't need statistics to tell me that the crime in that neighborhood is off the charts and it's not a place I want to live or work. Are there safe parts of most cities? Sure! But life is usually more complicated than "that's just a {insert my political adversary} talking point", and this is definitely one of those cases.
- zrail 2y agoDaily necessities being locked up is evidence that petty crime like shoplifting may be up. People shoplift necessities when they can't afford them. Nobody is stealing socks for meth money, they're stealing because their feet are cold and they don't have the money to pay. And why, you might ask, is shoplifting up? Might have something to do with the historically horrific levels of income inequality in the US.
- high_na_euv 2y ago>historically horrific levels of income inequality in the US. You can have high inequality and low % of extreme poverty
- lolinder 2y agoNo, actually—shoplifting may have historically been primarily for personal use, and that may still be the primary cause by number of shoplifters, but organized gangs of shoplifters who steal large amounts of stuff to resell online are very much a thing [0] that's widely reported on [1] across many news outlets [2] and government groups [3]. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/organized-crime-rings-plaguing-retailers-ulta-tj-maxx-walgreens-rcna142919 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/organized-crime-rings-p... [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-05-04/eight-arrested-in-multi-million-dollar-retail-theft-operation-sheriff-officials-said https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-05-04/eight-ar... [2] https://apnews.com/article/business-health-government-and-politics-california-coronavirus-pandemic-d0c6dc49ef4cd6d05f649a860bd72888 https://apnews.com/article/business-health-government-and-po... [3] https://www.chp.ca.gov/notify-chp/organized-retail-theft-program https://www.chp.ca.gov/notify-chp/organized-retail-theft-pro...
- a_c_s 2y agoStatistically safe maybe, but speaking for Manhattan the streets have plenty of unsavory and seemingly-unsafe people around. I have a close friend who worked at an office a block away from a methadone clinic (in a busy part of midtown) and the clients would be hanging around the neighborhood propositioning people while the police did nothing. And this was before 2020. The perception of safety is almost as important as safety itself. The visible, chronically homeless population is as visible and challenging for citizens to deal with as ever. Leaving these people to the streets is bad for everyone and definitely makes NYC feel much less safe than it might actually be.
- esotericimpl 2y ago[dead]
- compiler-devel 2y agoNobody ever claims that suburban areas are crime-ridden. “Cities are safe,” which ones?
- organsnyder 2y agoYou're much more likely to be seriously injured or killed in an auto accident than you are as the victim of a random violent crime.
- theamk 2y agoonly if you constrain yourself to "violent claim reported to and investigated by police" I've received more harrassment on busses and trains that I've had car incidents, and I've spent much more time in car compared to public transit.
- compiler-devel 2y agoThis unhelpful whataboutism doesn’t refute earlier claims in this thread nor does it reinforce any opposite claims. What are you trying to say about the safety of cities here?
- organsnyder 2y agoI'm saying that the safety of suburbs is overstated due to the higher number of vehicle miles travelled.
- jjav 2y ago> I'm saying that the safety of suburbs is overstated due to the higher number of vehicle miles travelled. Let's see.. Representing city: traffic fatalities in San Francisco in 2021: 30 [0] Representing suburbia: traffic fatalities in Palo Alto in 2020: 4 [1] (On a quick search I didn't find stats for exact same year, but these are pretty close for a sense of scale.) [0] https://www.sfgov.org/scorecards/transportation/traffic-fatalities https://www.sfgov.org/scorecards/transportation/traffic-fata... [1] https://www.city-data.com/accidents/acc-Palo-Alto-California.html https://www.city-data.com/accidents/acc-Palo-Alto-California...
- silisili 2y agoNot really? I live in a small city of no note. When I go to the store, nothing of note is locked up behind glass. I never get screamed at or hassled by street people, have to avoid taking a 'bad' street, etc. Nobody here has ever told me to leave my doors unlocked so thieves won't break my windows like that's a normal and OK thing. Nobody has suggested I carry a fake wallet for when I'm robbed. These are real things I've been suggested when visiting a 'real city.' I guess it's a frame of reference thing, or Stockholm Syndrome. Yeah you can point to FBI stats showing less people are murdering each other, that's a fair point. But to an outsider they don't feel anything resembling safe or normal.
- coffeebeqn 2y agoYou can gaslight people but unfortunately for you a lot of us have years/decades of first hand experience from living in said cities. And some of us have even lived in places that don’t have similar problems to contrast! Whether it’s a “conservative” talking point or not is irrelevant.
- fortran77 2y agoSan Francisco is not safe.
- AJRF 2y ago> most cherry picked of statistics Isn't it true that another big talking point that lots of "petty" crime is now decriminalised so we're not comparing apples to apples if "progressive" leaders are massaging the stats.
- renegade-otter 2y agoCrime, especially violent crime, has been going down for decades now. SF and LA has the homeless, Portland did a number on itself legalizing all drugs, and NY has a few hundred repeat offenders shoplifting in pharmacies. While unpleasant situations, hardly a hell scape Fox News makes it out to be, considering that the places scoffing at all this actually have higher occurrences of violent crime, gun crime, and mass shootings (the latter of which these cities have none).
- lurking15 2y agothis isn’t a blue/red thing, whenever liberals accuse red states of having bad statistics it’s usually unwittingly highlighting a certain demographic in those states they wouldn’t implicate knowingly
- theknocker 2y ago[dead]
- obvustroweh 2y agoIf you don’t collect statistics, or provide bad service so people don’t bother calling even if you do collect statistics you’ll juice the numbers quite favorably. For what it’s worth in my area “crime is down,” petty crimes like shoplifting and theft - but violent crimes involving guns are up (brandishing, shootings), but then murder itself is down. So of course the headline is “crime is down” and when you bring up all the random idiots brandishing weapons in traffic or heroin addicts nodding off by the Starbucks you’re now magically a right wing idiot because of petty word games. For what it’s worth it doesn’t matter if the metropolitan as a whole is statistically “good,” if my narrow slice is poorly managed it’s poorly managed and no overly broad statistical group changes on the ground lived reality.
- tootie 2y agoIt's easy to paint a conspiracy picture. Most boards are not in commercial real estate and certainly not enough to force CEOs to act against the interest of their company. They're doing this because they believe in it. Lots of people just believe wrong things despite evidence.
- benterix 2y agoYeah, I mean it's obvious - the fact that some CEOS have vested interests in commercial real estate doesn't mean that all do, it doesn't pass basic logic test. Most are doing what the rest are doing, whether it makes sense or not. What is clear, though, is that the moment you really try to enforce RTO, people start looking for new jobs, especially seniors.
- datavirtue 2y agoEmployees are willing to give up serdipitous in-office collaboration while CEOs, who are struggling to navigate any of this, refuse to accept that this aspect of work life is going away. I want the old in-office comraderie and collaboration but I'm not willing to give up WFH benefits. My company went so far as to remodel huge new office for me. I thought it be great but then a four day onsite rule popped out of nowhere that applies to people with offices. I'm seriously considering leaving.
- chii 2y ago> I want the old in-office comraderie and collaboration but I'm not willing to give up WFH benefits. there is such a thing as hybrid. Having an office available for use, and schedule meetups deliberately in the office, and do it regularly (but not all the time - for example, once a fortnight is a good cadence imho). The days you do meet in the office, you will do an all day "workshop", rather than regularly scheduled work - bounce ideas, talk about stuff, etc. Face to face discussions can be done there, and it's more productive. And in exchange, you remove things like "status meetings" etc, to make time. A project manager or really, anybody, will need to come into the office on those scheduled days in office and chat in person, if they want a status update!
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