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If a browser has too many compatibility issues, users will switch away. Outreach to the sites in question takes time and is often unsuccessful. Quirks is the pr

by jorlow 2y ago

If a browser has too many compatibility issues, users will switch away. Outreach to the sites in question takes time and is often unsuccessful. Quirks is the pragmatic answer.

lye 2y ago
WebKit is used by the second most popular browser after Chrome. Don't forget iOS users. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share
- tyho 2y ago
  That's an odd way of saying the third most popular browser.
  - Terretta 2y ago
    If you click link, look at chart, you'll see they mean second.
    - stavros 2y ago
      That's always confusing. They should have said "the second most popular browser (after Chrome)", or something like that.
      - DANmode 2y ago
        "blah blah blah, *second only to Chrome."
- knallfrosch 2y ago
  My iOS/Safari is so bad, I have both Firefox and Chrome installed as a backup in case it doesn't work. They should start fixing Safari for real instead of adding Quirks.
  - hhh 2y ago
    what’s wrong with ios/safari? i don’t really ever have issues
    - flessner 2y ago
      Safari on MacOS is really nice, fast and offers everything I need... but every 3 months or so I stumble on a website that refuses to work at all - rendering looks off, buttons don't work etc... Switching to Chrome usually fixes it - but I always question my sanity for about 10 minutes until I try it in Chrome.
      - SassyBird 2y ago
        It’s the opposite for me. I keep finding dumb bugs in Chromium, when it comes to correct website rendering and event handling (always regressions). Safari and Firefox on the other hand never have those issues. The only problem is: Safari has piss-poor ad blockers. Firefox blocks custom system-wide keyboard shortcuts (on Mac).
  - jraph 2y ago
    I have bad news for you. On iOS, Firefox and Chrome use the same WebKit as Safari (because Apple doesn't allow third party browser engines on its App store).
    - dizhn 2y ago
      Didn't they allow alternative engines recently? They even have emulators now. Undoubtedly a change forced on them by the EU.
      - jraph 2y ago
        Apparently you are right, they do since around February on iOS 17.4. In the EU only. https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engines/ https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engi...
lapcat 2y ago
I don't know about quirks specifically, but often it takes many, many months before a WebKit commit actually ships to end users in Safari. Anyway, Apple engineers aren't known for their outreach.

by jorlow 2y ago

If a browser has too many compatibility issues, users will switch away. Outreach to the sites in question takes time and is often unsuccessful. Quirks is the pragmatic answer.

lye 2y ago

WebKit is used by the second most popular browser after Chrome. Don't forget iOS users. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

tyho 2y ago
That's an odd way of saying the third most popular browser.
- Terretta 2y ago
  If you click link, look at chart, you'll see they mean second.
  - stavros 2y ago
    That's always confusing. They should have said "the second most popular browser (after Chrome)", or something like that.
    - DANmode 2y ago
      "blah blah blah, *second only to Chrome."
knallfrosch 2y ago
My iOS/Safari is so bad, I have both Firefox and Chrome installed as a backup in case it doesn't work. They should start fixing Safari for real instead of adding Quirks.
- hhh 2y ago
  what’s wrong with ios/safari? i don’t really ever have issues
  - flessner 2y ago
    Safari on MacOS is really nice, fast and offers everything I need... but every 3 months or so I stumble on a website that refuses to work at all - rendering looks off, buttons don't work etc... Switching to Chrome usually fixes it - but I always question my sanity for about 10 minutes until I try it in Chrome.
    - SassyBird 2y ago
      It’s the opposite for me. I keep finding dumb bugs in Chromium, when it comes to correct website rendering and event handling (always regressions). Safari and Firefox on the other hand never have those issues. The only problem is: Safari has piss-poor ad blockers. Firefox blocks custom system-wide keyboard shortcuts (on Mac).
- jraph 2y ago
  I have bad news for you. On iOS, Firefox and Chrome use the same WebKit as Safari (because Apple doesn't allow third party browser engines on its App store).
  - dizhn 2y ago
    Didn't they allow alternative engines recently? They even have emulators now. Undoubtedly a change forced on them by the EU.
    - jraph 2y ago
      Apparently you are right, they do since around February on iOS 17.4. In the EU only. https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engines/ https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engi...

lapcat 2y ago

I don't know about quirks specifically, but often it takes many, many months before a WebKit commit actually ships to end users in Safari. Anyway, Apple engineers aren't known for their outreach.