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It’s like saying the US started as a colony and that explains the lack of its progressive democracy and having a static constitution. Just because something st

It’s like saying the US started as a colony and that explains the lack of its progressive democracy and having a static constitution. Just because something started as X doesn’t mean that evolution didn’t happen. The reasons for the bureaucracy are a lot and different but come down to power sharing between the stakeholders.

llm_trw 2y ago
There were two revolutions in the US that changed its politic course significantly. The EU has always been a beurocracy first.
- binkethy 2y ago
  Bureaucracy. The EU is the European Union. 500 million humans. This legislation is a win for the common person. Trying to portray as foisted upon the public from on high = a propaganda twist too far.
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    So why not hold a referendum on it?
    - master-lincoln 2y ago
      Because most people have little knowledge about the EU and are easily influenced. Direct democracy doesn't work well because of that if you ask me
      - llm_trw 2y ago
        So you'd say it has to be foisted on the common woman from up high?
        lispm 2y ago
        Wasn't there a war in the US because of leaving states? ;-) How was that "referendum"?
        DEADMINCE 2y ago
        Advancements are always foisted upon the common man without their consent.
- machomaster 2y ago
  You are simply confirming the parent's counter-take that the US starting as a colony was such a big influence that despite hundreds of years and 2 revolutions the US still lacks progressive democracy.
- lispm 2y ago
  That's a very simplistic view.
  - martimarkov 2y ago
    I was answering another very simplistic view
    - lispm 2y ago
      I wasn't responding to your comment.
bee_rider 2y ago
I mean, the fact that part of the country was started as a resource extraction colony, and another part was started as an experiment in puritanical religious extremism seems in retrospect to have been a bad sign. Of course, lots of things seem portentous in retrospect, if we look back on the path we took, of course it turns out we passed lots of signposts pointing in our current direction.

llm_trw 2y ago

There were two revolutions in the US that changed its politic course significantly. The EU has always been a beurocracy first.

binkethy 2y ago
Bureaucracy. The EU is the European Union. 500 million humans. This legislation is a win for the common person. Trying to portray as foisted upon the public from on high = a propaganda twist too far.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  So why not hold a referendum on it?
  - master-lincoln 2y ago
    Because most people have little knowledge about the EU and are easily influenced. Direct democracy doesn't work well because of that if you ask me
    - llm_trw 2y ago
      So you'd say it has to be foisted on the common woman from up high?
      - lispm 2y ago
        Wasn't there a war in the US because of leaving states? ;-) How was that "referendum"?
      - DEADMINCE 2y ago
        Advancements are always foisted upon the common man without their consent.
machomaster 2y ago
You are simply confirming the parent's counter-take that the US starting as a colony was such a big influence that despite hundreds of years and 2 revolutions the US still lacks progressive democracy.
lispm 2y ago
That's a very simplistic view.
- martimarkov 2y ago
  I was answering another very simplistic view
  - lispm 2y ago
    I wasn't responding to your comment.

bee_rider 2y ago

I mean, the fact that part of the country was started as a resource extraction colony, and another part was started as an experiment in puritanical religious extremism seems in retrospect to have been a bad sign. Of course, lots of things seem portentous in retrospect, if we look back on the path we took, of course it turns out we passed lots of signposts pointing in our current direction.