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All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Automatically Avoid a Crash
- gnabgib 2y agoOngoing discussion [0] (28 points, 14 hours ago, 79 comments) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40207981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40207981
- notfed 2y agoFYI: they mean "up to 62mph" Anyway, placing the dividing line at 62mph is interesting because many areas (in the US) fluctuate between 55mph and 65mph speed limits. What was once a seemingly arbitrary difference in speed will now carry more implications.
- nomel 2y agoSince this means the system isn't required at freeway speeds, I'm curious if it's from some understanding that the possibility of phantom braking could cause more harm/pileups on the freeway?
- josefresco 2y agoI posted this same comment on the other thread, but it's worth noting here too. Headline: Most Small SUVs Are Bad at Automatic Emergency Braking, IIHS Says https://www.thedrive.com/news/most-small-suvs-are-bad-at-automatic-emergency-braking-iihs-says https://www.thedrive.com/news/most-small-suvs-are-bad-at-aut... "The SUVs that participated in the test were the Subaru Forester, Honda CR-V, Toyota RAV4, Ford Escape, Mazda CX-5, Hyundai Tucson, Jeep Compass, Mitsubishi Outlander, Chevy Equinox, and the Volkswagen Taos. Of those ten SUVs only one (!) received the IIHS' "Good" rating—the Subaru Forester. After that, only two were rated as "Acceptable," the Honda CR-V and Toyota RAV4. The Ford, Hyundai, and Jeep were rated "Marginal," while the rest were sent home with "Poor" ratings and their heads hanging low."
- renewiltord 2y agoOh I was quite surprised. I drive a Subaru Forester myself and thought it does quite well.
- stevenwoo 2y agoI remember original Foresters were based on sedan chassis so had pretty snappy handling for SUV but dunno about newer ones.
- lamp_book 2y agoAll newer Subaru models now share a modular platform - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Global_Platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Global_Platform - except for the BRZ which is on Toyota’s analog. But yeah originally Forester was based on the Impreza.
- germinalphrase 2y agoI’m not surprised about the Cx-5. Plenty to like about the vehicle, but the driver assist features are clearly an afterthought.
- swalling 2y agoSubaru has had its EyeSight collision avoidance system in production vehicles since 2010. That's a long time to refine things.
- gscott 2y agoMy wife has a 2022 Chevy Equinox. It has engaged the automatic breaking on me several times unnecessarily but mostly it likes to use the flashing red dash light most often. We have this street with a half circle that cars park on and as you traverse the half circle it sees those cars and starts blinking like mad afraid you are going to hit them. I fear future cars will be much worse. They might force you to self driving if they make it impossible to drive the car yourself.
- jurschreuder 2y agoBecause people are on their phone while driving
- doublerabbit 2y agoMay have the ability too, but doesn't mean will.
- kccqzy 2y agoArticle says, > Unsurprisingly, automakers are unsure whether this is possible I'm in the same camp. I don't think technology will become mature enough in the stated timeline to make sure this is actually possible without creating a huge ton of false positive triggers (phantom braking).
- aetherspawn 2y agoOur Toyota Corolla hybrid has successfully done this and mitigated a collision at 100 km/hr (60 mi/hr) once or twice with only a handful of non serious false positives (i.e. when turning a corner that has cars parked on it or people crossing the road nearby) in the 4 years we've owned it. We live in Australia so we regularly do a cross country 1800km+ trip to travel between the cities, and there are hundreds of overpasses. I don't recall ever getting phantom braking during one of these trips. I would highly rate Toyota safety sense as one of the best ADAS on the market despite being not very sophisticated in comparison to i.e. Tesla.
- anon373839 2y agoI have no idea why you’re being downvoted; this is a legitimate concern. If these systems have the capability to apply full braking force at 90 mph, there will be instances when they get confused by a shadow and cause the very type of collision they’re intended to prevent.
- matthewfelgate 2y agoExcept it's already been the law in Europe since 2022. Automakers can and will make AEB.
- tryptophan 2y agoLaws to make cars smaller and drive slower will do 100x more to make crashes less deadly than fancy electronic gizmos. Not to mention all these electronics make the car much more expensive and harder to repair.
- parl_match 2y agoA law that prevents any FWD vehicle from going over 90 MPH, or offering significant insurance discounts, would go a long way towards reducing fatalities. There is no reason for any casual motorist to be going 91+MPH on surface streets or highways.
- nemomarx 2y agoIsn't the car already very dangerous at 70 or so? I can't think of a lot of streets where you'd be able to get up to 90 even.
- kayodelycaon 2y agoIt’s pretty easy to do a sustained 120 mph in a Honda Accord for several hours on I-71 through Kentucky. (Not personal experience.) A Toyota Prius can maintain ~90 mph on I-294 around Chicago. Anything above 95 mph degraded the tire traction to an unsafe level. (Personal experience.) I don’t do that much anymore now that my manic episodes are under control and I’m better able to recognize my judgement is impaired.
- lakis 2y agoI actually have to set up a car alert for when I go above 90, because the car is so quiet and powerful that I can easily go above 90 without realizing (obviously on the highway) . New cars have improved tremendously.
- huhuhu111 2y agothere are a few reasons though, like life threatening emergencies when the road is basically empty
- post_break 2y agoMy 2021 Honda Accord was so aggressive. I had times where I literally had my foot to the floor to GO but the car said no, when there was nothing in front of me. Luckily my miata isn't as aggressive.
- postmeta 2y agoRecent Tesla AEB (Auto-Emergency-Braking) is pretty good, the Euro NCAP tests show: https://twitter.com/AIDRIVR/status/1782155551948058755 https://twitter.com/AIDRIVR/status/1782155551948058755 I wish NHTSA published videos like the Euro NCAP.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y agoThis should work out well </s> I applaud the idea, but I'm quite skeptical that it will actually work, given the nature of most drivers. > At speeds of up to 62 mph, these next-generation automatic emergency braking systems must avoid a collision with a vehicle stopped on the roadway ahead. Sounds great, but it’s worth keeping in mind that braking distance is proportional to the square of the initial speed. It won't work, unless it also forces you to keep an appropriate braking distance from the vehicle ahead. That distance would be substantially larger, if it was raining or snowing. Not sure if anyone that came up with this idea has actually had to drive on a highway around a major metropolitan area, but that ain't happening.
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] More discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40207981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40207981
- simonblack 2y agoAnd all eggs will have to be unbreakable, and be unlocked with a key.
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- karaterobot 2y agoNeedless to say, but unclear from the headline: this refers to all new cars sold.
- Brian_K_White 2y agoThe problem is it requires a computer, and no one but no one will sell you a car where you get to control the computer, and without a net connection back to servers you also don't get to control or opt out of or even audit.
- matthewfelgate 2y agoThat's largely true already.
- oblib 2y agoLearning "how to drive like everyone is trying to smash into you" has worked for me. Basically you always keep enough distance between you and the car in front of you to be able to avoid rear ending them, keep an eye on what's behind you, and resist the urge to road rage. For example, when someone cuts you off you put distance between you, "You're still moving forward". I was offered that advice by a California Hwy Patrolmen when I was just 16 years old shortly after I got my driver's license. It's worked for me. I'm 65 now and I've never been in an accident or crashed a car, and I've never gotten a ticket. So it's really worked pretty well for me. I'm personally not ready to want a car that drives for me, but I would like others to have one that would put on the brakes when they get too close behind me.
- averageRoyalty 2y agoI can't speak for your country, but in mine it's the law to ensure a safe distance is between you and the car in front of you.
- matthewfelgate 2y agoGreat idea. e/acc.
- underseacables 2y agoWhat happens if you cover the sensors?