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Kickstarter for a JavaScript top level domain (.js TLD)
- mikeryan 14y agoEvery day I send Chrome on a mystery tour looking for a domain called something.js - which it never finds.
- david_shaw 14y agoNot totally sure how the fundraising process for a TLD works. Can you buy whatever TLD you want? Can I get david.shaw? That would be awesome. The problem is that even if you get 'jsfounder' status with your donation, there's no guarantee you'll actually get anything other than your name on a petition. It's a cool idea, and I support lots and lots of TLDs (as they allow creative domain names other than .com et al), but this seems like it might be a sneaky way to raise some capital without having to do anything. edit: furthermore, do these passionate individuals plan to not organize the petition if they aren't funded?
- gfosco 14y agoIt costs ~200k to buy a TLD, so if they are not funded they will obviously not be applying for the TLD.
- jessedhillon 14y agoThe fee is only to apply -- the application would still need approval before this becomes a TLD. The fee is not refunded in the case of denial.
- digitalsushi 14y agoCrimony. For 200,000 dollars you can get the finest silks and fanciest hats and the blackest boots for a moment with the king. Or you can buy 200,000 dollars worth of attention from already-upset people and start your own peer based DNS resolution service.
- webXL 14y agoI think this would only be worthwhile if you could do this: <script src="http://jquery.js"></script>
- debacle 14y agoWhat would the source at js.js/js.js be?
- ozten 14y agoVery cool. You could also do: <script src="http://jquery.js/latest"></script> And keep / as an informative website.
- Zr40 14y agoYou can even drop the http: part, like this: <script src="//jquery.js/latest"></script>
- webXL 14y agoNah, too much typing. Maybe if you got rid of jquery.com. It's not even a company!
- slig 14y agoI can't tell if your you're joking or not. Linking to the latest version is a very nice way to break your app automatically.
- izak30 14y agoOr use Content-Type negotiation. (please note, I do understand that this proposal is basically DOA)
- blubbar 14y agoThis is extremely stupid. would it be mongodb.js? or mongodb.c++ mongodb.oss mongodb.foss mongodb.nosql or mongodb.webtwozeroishstuff ? We don't need more fragmentation. I guess the next thing they want after .biz is .cool .startup .awesome and .hip . This is not how TLDs (should) work!
- jack-r-abbit 14y agoI guess it would be mongo.db. But it really should be none of those. How would anyone create/enforce rules that would accurately limit the usage to what they are proposing? What is the validation for whether a project is or is not a JavaScript or NodeJS project?
- g0su 14y agoThis is extremely stupid to start a post with "This is extremely stupid". It adds no value and is simply offensive. Only extremely stupid people write that way.
- angrytapir 14y ago> I guess the next thing they want after .biz is .cool .startup .awesome and .hip .hipster
- LaRakel 14y agoAren't two letter domains reserved for countries?
- kaerast 14y agoSo the fix for this then is to start our own country. I hear there's some unclaimed land in Africa which would do nicely - http://www.neatorama.com/2010/02/05/earths-last-frontier-the-last-unclaimed-land-on-earth/ http://www.neatorama.com/2010/02/05/earths-last-frontier-the...
- saraid216 14y agoMaybe micronations count as countries?
- duskwuff 14y agoIndeed, they are. Relatedly, .pl and .pm (both extensions used for Perl code) are existing CCTLDs.
- shellox 14y agoyep, I registered a .pm domain. I guess the most people haven't heard of Saint Pierre and Miquelon at all. Btw, the domains are still managed by the AFNIC.
- debacle 14y agoWhile it would be cool to have a .js TLD, that 200k would be better spent developing a system that doesn't revolve around a centralized entity to manage DNS.
- TazeTSchnitzel 14y agoEspecially since now the root zone file is just gonna grow and grow with new TLDs.
- techiferous 14y agoGood point. Or that 200k would be better spent in an X Prize style contest for a better JavaScript web framework.
- kellishaver 14y agoThat was my first thought, too - $200k could fund the writing of a lot of really good JavaScript, which would benefit the JS community (and the web at large) a lot more than a vanity TLD.
- jensnockert 14y agoI tried doing this before the rules were public, the reasons why I stopped 1. Two-letter TLDs are reserved for countries. 2. The $200k isn't the actual cost, it is only what you need to pay for an initial review, you won't get the money back if something is found to be wrong with your application or if they dislike your TLD.
- jarek-foksa 14y agoWhat happened with .app TLD initiative? I remember they were collecting funds and even offered domain pre-registration, but now their website is down: http://dotappapp.com/ http://dotappapp.com/
- shellox 14y agoDuckduckgo showed me their twitter account and the website linked there is http://www.appextension.com/ http://www.appextension.com/ ;)
- ozten 14y agoThere are two blockers: https://github.com/ozten/TLD.js/issues/23 https://github.com/ozten/TLD.js/issues/23 https://github.com/ozten/TLD.js/issues/8 https://github.com/ozten/TLD.js/issues/8 This isn't viable for submission as a Kickstarter w/o resolving those issues. As @jensnockert and @LaRakei have pointed out here. Creative solution? Please comment on the issues :)
- jpsirois 14y agoI know about both issues but what I would like to mention is more the initiative of a Kickstarter campaign for this kind of developer’s common concerns. I really love the idea to ask everyone to solve everyone’s problems.
- opendomain 14y agoGetting a TLD up and running would cost a LOT more than $200k - you have to create a SRS registrar, billing, email systems, security, Who Is, etc. You may be able to subcontract these to SrsPlus (like I do) or OpenSRS, but you would still have to go through $50k bond and testing. I have been thinking of this for quite some time and have some great ideas of how a dot JS should work. Please contact me Ric @ my account dot org
- skrebbel 14y agoWhy do we even think about this? Custom TLDs are a farce, a way to shake companies and nonprofits out of money without any added value, neither technologically, nor in terms of marketing/communication. Everybody knows that, right? Didn't we all conclude that when the ICANN announced it? Aren't "we", the hacker crowd, supposed to be above this?
- ilikepi 14y agoI agree. Further, regarding this bit from the "Why?" section of the README: > Okay, this is kind of a vanity TLD, but we freaking build the web every day... Shouldn't we have a TLD that JS hackers control? Why are "JS hackers" being targeted specifically? Why not also Ruby, Python, PHP, .NET, and Perl hackers? Why not also HTML and CSS hackers? Why not also designers (.psd perhaps)? Why not dozens of new TLDs so that everyone could have a domain with the file extension of their choosing? I'll tell you why: because arbitrarily polluting the top-level namespace is something we learn not to do.
- kingkilr 14y agoProbably because .py is paraguay, .pl is poland, .net is ... whatever.
- ilikepi 14y agoSure, but there's no .rb ccTLD, and since 4-, 5-, and 6- letter gTLDs exist, we could certainly have Kickstarter campaigns for .php, .html, .css, .perl, etc. I guess .NET hackers are screwed though.
- opendomain 14y agoActually, Microsoft owns ASP.NET - which is a site about ASP .NET
- EmielMols 14y agoThey're probably less screwed, cause they can register their domain today, provided it's still available.
- bdg 14y agoCan anyone else hear that? The sound of Tim Berners-Lee crying to himself, "What have they done to you? You were once so clean and pure."
- TazeTSchnitzel 14y agoNay, it is not Berners-Lee that is crying, it's Paul Mockapetris. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Mockapetris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Mockapetris
- TazeTSchnitzel 14y agoYou know what would be cooler? Someone registering .onion, and make .onion URLs bring up a message telling people to use a Tor client.
- SeoxyS 14y agoSo, what exactly is wrong with nodejs.com? xyzjs.com?
- ta12121 14y ago200K for what is essentially a custom domain name? Absolutely not worth it.
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- Camillo 14y agoI don't know why people are so eager to shoot this down. I think it's perfectly feasible. So what if two-letter TLDs are reserved for countries? JavaScript has already made the jump from the browser to the server (and, soon, to the kernel): the world map is the logical next step. Yes, I am talking about a real-world JavaScript nation, whose banner shall unite web 2.0 ninjas, wizards and pirates (not the rockstars, though, those use Ruby) from all over the world. And the children of this new utopia shall be taught JavaScript as their native language, fulfilling mankind's age-old ideal of JavaScript Everywhere.
- gee_totes 14y agoThe thought of children speaking their first alert(); brings tears of joy to my eyes...
- namidark 14y agoWhere on earth do you see JS jumping to the kernel? If C++ wasn't cut for it what makes you think JS is?
- olalonde 14y agoYea I was thinking the same. The JavaScript nation thing was a bit far fetched but JavaScript in the kernel is simply absurd.
- Gravityloss 14y agoOne more reason it's not a good idea: For example if .html was a top level domain, it would be harder to know if you're looking at a domain or a file. You could still deduce it from the surrounding strings, but why do you want to complicate what's working perfectly as it is? How about .exe, .app, .txt, .htm... maybe ultimately petition to allow punctuation and forward slash in domain names.
- icebraining 14y agoThe concept of files in URLs is an illusion. A bare '/' may serve JS content and a /test.css may serve a JPG image. The path is just a string with no special meaning.
- opendomain 14y agoI have a better idea - if they do not let use get a 2-letter TLD, then how about we get .json ? If you want, my twitter handle is @json and I own json dot com , so we could do this for FREE by using subdomain.json.com to start
- mlinksva 14y agoHow about .startup and .hacker? .innovation for biggies. .tldr would add something. .lolnotreally
- robwgibbons 14y agoThose are all way too long
- mindcrime 14y agoWhile we're adding new TLD's, how about a .yc domain? Or maybe it should be .hn?
- songrabbit 14y agoActually .hn already exists as the TLD for honduras: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.hn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.hn
- shellox 14y agoA .js domain would more confusing, than helpful in my eyes. Also, the resistence against domain seizure is more important than 'coolness' today. The tld's .ch and .is are good picks for this purpose.
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- lambda 14y agoAs many others have pointed out, two character gTLDs are not allowed, as they are reserved for countries and super-national entities like .eu. Also, Kickstarter is a terrible model for something like this. Kickstarter is for funding a single creative project. People are giving money to someone they trust to be able to execute a project, for that specific project. A gTLD needs to be run, constantly, for the forseeable future; and thus needs to be a real business, with real investment, not a one-shot project like Kickstarter is designed to fund.
- blrblr 14y agoI develop extensively in JavaScript, and this is fucking retarded.