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Ghost Jobs – it's not your fault that you are not getting hired in 2024 [video]

81 points by titusblair 2y ago

ChicagoDave 2y ago
Resume culling has been going on forever. It’s just a part of the game. This is why you need to make connections with actual people. Not networking. You need to build relationships and those relationships will automatically expand your ability to find work.
- throwaway35777 2y ago
  There also used to be Triplebyte. It filled a niche of talented people who have bad resumes and don't know anybody. Found a great job through them when I was starting out. Real shame there's nothing to replace it, there's huge arbitrage in the market of good people who don't know people. If I were starting out now I don't know what I would do, how do you even meet people.
  - wodenokoto 2y ago
    How did triple the identify those people? I remember the name, but not their service.
    - mook 2y ago
      I recall that they were on HN previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23279837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23279837 (I haven't looked at their service and don't have plans to.)
      - throwaway35777 2y ago
        They shut down in 2023. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35184546 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35184546
    - naet 2y ago
      They did tons of open tech interviews for basically anyone who could pass an online quiz, and if they thought they found a good candidate Triplebyte would provide them as higher quality / prescreened candidates to other tech companies looking to make a hire (for a recruiting fee). I got my first job through Triplebyte actually. I think I would have gotten one without it since I was getting interviews and getting better at them. Even though I had passed the Triplebyte tech screen I got very few company "matches" or opportunities through them, but one ended up working out for me to get my foot in the door.
- exitb 2y ago
  I got my current job few years ago by just responding to a public posting, but I have noticed that nowadays most of new hires actually come recommended by someone. I wonder why the switch happened. Is it the community responding to lower demand for IT professionals?
  - ang_cire 2y ago
    IMHO, not lower demand but higher supply, especially with all the big tech layoffs, and so we have a glut of applicants who know enough about tech in general to make it tough to tell if they're lying about their specialized experience until after you hire them, and they're desperate to get hired because either they were laid off, or they know they're competing with all the people who were, so they're more likely to take a job they're not really qualified for because it takes at least 6 months to let a new hire go, and that's 6 months of rent and food, so it's an easy choice. The first 5 years at my current job (7 years total), my team had *one* person join and leave. The past 2 years, we've had 3. No change in team leaders, style, nothing. In one case, they were just straight not doing anything. Like legitimately just not online for a whole week, except to pop into the daily standup on Friday, with their camera off and muted. They were given a task to complete as basically a "complete this or you're out" ultimatum, and they came to me to help them with doing it because they were totally lost. I tried to give them advice, but when they saw I wasn't going to do it for them they just went AWOL, and quit the next week. I'm lazy AF, and that shit was *wild*.
    - throwaway35777 2y ago
      Wow! What do you work on? Is the problem the ability of the candidates -- do you think it's possible for a "good" engineer to get productive on six months?
- ThalesX 2y ago
  I'd take this advice with a grain of salt. The best jobs I found in my life (n=1) were outside of my 'connections'. They were in other countries, continents and with some degrees of separation between the people involved and anyone I've ever built a connection with. Connections are important, but if you want to be seen, you need to put yourself out there, perhaps more important than making a connection with Ricky.
  - ChicagoDave 2y ago
    I'd add the caveat that relationships matter more as your career matures. If you're in the beginning or middle, regular job postings are probably a larger target.
GuardianCaveman 2y ago
He says 33% of hiring managers admit to creating job reqs and advertising them with no intention of filling them so that the existing people on the teams those new hires would go to feel that help is on the way and they don't quit. But it's a trick to keep people from leaving and to be able to continue to overwork their employees and squeeze out a bit more before burnout.
- tptacek 2y ago
  Has anyone here ever seen this done, in any job they worked?
  - tshaddox 2y ago
    I’ve never seen (as far as I know) the whole lying to your own team about hiring intentions, but I’ve been on small teams that aren’t actively hiring but leave stock job descriptions posted from the last time they were.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      I've seen one case where a job ad must have stayed up for years, though I only noticed it after the company closed down.
  - thaumaturgy 2y ago
    Yes. About five years ago (so, not new), and for a smaller company. After months of carrying multiple projects myself, including one that deserved at least three more devs on it, I had run out of all the nice ways to plead with management to actually hire someone. So, during a companywide meeting, I loudly and firmly said I'd be out the door in 30 days if they didn't have someone started by then. They hired someone, I handled the technical interview, I trained him, and then they suggested maybe I should find a new job.
    - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
      > So, during a companywide meeting, I loudly and firmly said I'd be out the door in 30 days if they didn't have someone started by then. Why on earth would you do this in a companywide meeting?
DustinBrett 2y ago
Isn't "it's not your fault" some kind of positive affirmation?
- awelxtr 2y ago
  Of course, why wouldn't it?
- kevingadd 2y ago
  What's the purpose of this question? It's also a statement of fact in many cases.
bluemoola 2y ago
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galaxyofdoom 2y ago
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_wire_ 2y ago
The entire market is a game and sham according to my experience: When employers actually need labor they hire who comes along and train them to fit the needed roles while managing attrition. But what I'm seeing is all about arbitrage. When an employer prefers to leave positions unfilled without facing the costs of constructing skilled labor, they're just scalping. Employees are expected to self fund training in branded products to be "competitive". "Growth" / "innovation" become PR terms for automated scalp removal. What's weird is that internally at fat corps they don't know what to do with the skilled staff they have. For example Intel has a perpetual purgatory they literally call "the pool" where they send skilled staff to tread water before being laid off. They've had the pool for 35 years but have no internal equivalent of LinkedIn. They don't even bother to curate the staff they already have while endlessly seeking greenwood. The training is more than half outsourced to the community while the firm enjoys humongous tax breaks because it's "employer of choice". But weirder still, they'll help arrange for a PhD then dump the staff member a few years later. It's this incredible selfishness to process absent of purpose that leads to a community corroding pathos which explains why the Bay Area is one of the most stratified and regressive regions in the world. It produces churn where the only feature of the landscape that represents stability is in "Defense" contracts and a culture that produces policy like this: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2008/RAND_MG738.pdf https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2008/R...
- rockemsockem 2y ago
  I'm sorry that's been your experience. I have the good fortune to be able to say that it is not like that at many, many places. I also suspect that the state of affairs at Intel that you described is largely due to incompetence as opposed to selfishness.
  - _wire_ 2y ago
    There's no need for condolences, it's not personal. Business is churn and crisis. If you've never seen it yourself, it's only that it hasn't occurred to you -yet-. It's in the news every day with reports like Tesla lays off thousands to cut costs while board gives CEO $50 billion payout. I do not see this as explainable through any idea of incompetence. It's about some wiley edge of control over profits. It's not contradictory that firms depend on skilled labor but are incapable of producing the conditions for constructing the needed labor force. Business has a long track record of enslaving labor and prefers to wreck labor as a force. Even at business's very best, it's widely understood that business / community partnerships are required to meet needs, where the community funds the training from which business cherry picks "talent" and while negotiating tax breaks that get passed on to investors executives. This can't be explained as incompetence, it's explained through organized contention between specific vested corporate interests and the broader community who bears the costs of cultivating the labor force. It's a story of business competency that led to Michael Moore to write about his stories about Flint Michigan, which became emblematic of US corporate culture. Within corporate enclaves you can always find a small population who have never endured the ongoing existential crisis which is business churn: People for whom the crisis of labor hasn't occurred... yet. For the special few who get to the grave in business having never seen any pathos... Is this good luck or a curse? There's no shortage of evidence! Look around your community and the commons, do you see decay? Is it explainable through "competence" or "incompetence?" It seems some other language is needed to explain what we see.
jader201 2y ago
This can’t happen in companies where you’re part of the hiring process. Every company I’ve worked for in the past several jobs has had me interviewing candidates directly. I’m part of the decision making on whether the candidate is hired, or which candidate from a panel is hired.
- duskwuff 2y ago
  > Every company I’ve worked for in the past several jobs has had me interviewing candidates directly. That doesn't mean you (or other employee interviewers) are seeing all the candidates. There are almost certainly a lot that are getting screened out before they reach that stage.
  - jader201 2y ago
    This isn’t about whether all candidates receive a response. This is about whether positions are being created without ever planning to fill them. I think it’s perfectly fine to screen out candidates and not interview them. And while ideally they’d still get a response, I can see how volume can make it hard to receive a handcrafted personal response. But again, this is about companies creating positions strictly to improve the morale of the employees still around.
    - duskwuff 2y ago
      > This is about whether positions are being created without ever planning to fill them. Right. And what I mean is that, if your hiring department is posting job "openings" which they don't intend to fill, they probably aren't allowing any of the applicants to advance to an interview.
- augunrik 2y ago
  Can you also see if every job position was filled in the end?
veltas 2y ago
I filled a job role that had been up for a year once, they weren't happy with the candidates until they saw me, this was in a less populated area.
dehrmann 2y ago
Aside from it just being a tough job market, the rise in remote work means there are now an order of magnitude more candidates for any position that isn't explicitly hybrid or in-office, and there ends up being a paradox of choice.
- TheChaplain 2y ago
  In my experience office jobs in general seem to get a lot of applicants per opened position. Majority of them does not even pass requirements for the job, but they try anyway (recruiting is SO exhausting in that aspect). Doesn't seem to be enough jobs and too much people needing one.
richrichie 2y ago
I see it as free brand advertisement. The company appears "active" and "growing" in google searches. Head hunters have started doing it as well.
infogulch 2y ago
It seems like this practice of always having job listings posted, even if you don't intend to fill them, effectively hides the internal status of a company from the public. This signal -- "the company has more or fewer job listings compared to the past or compared to other companies" -- could have a marked effect on current employees, investors, analysts, etc. But the company may want more control over how these groups perceive it, so it masks this internal state by adding noise to the signal.
- geraldhh 2y ago
  somewhat like ppl that oversell their sexual availability in order to always have options and never be in need. it's a way of life, but not everybody can do it
- keiferski 2y ago
  Probably an inevitable consequence of valuations being based on information and speculation, and not bottom line economics. The companies that don’t project an exterior of “we’re doing great” end up losing to the ones that do, regardless of what’s actually going on inside.
dottjt 2y ago
I feel a large part of it is that companies are getting regular employees to do more of the interviewing, so it's like they get people in simply so they can train those employees interviewing skills. I know at the previous company I worked at you couldn't get promoted unless if you were partaking in interviews, so I feel that might be a potential reason.
phtrivier 2y ago
The video's description, channel and host trigger so many "this is a scam" alarms that I'm prevented to watch more than 2m. Does the guy at any point provides any kind of substantial proof that companies are actually doing that ? I'm curious what it could be. But maybe it's because my gig has a hard time _actually finding people to hire_ ...
- geraldhh 2y ago
  > my gig has a hard time _actually finding people to hire lots of ppl have a hard time finding a gainful employment; seems there is something wrong with expectations (probably on both sides)
  - redrove 2y ago
    > seems there is something wrong with expectations (probably on both sides) It’s pay, on both sides. Maybe remote working too. People work for money, fake company “benefits” are a scam and people have caught up.
    - phtrivier 2y ago
      Surprisingly, skill plays a part in recruiting, too ;) You're not _always_ looking to fill a position where good junior people can fit - that reduces the pool of acceptable applicants. (In theory, the market dynamics are supposed to eventually match expected skills vs desired benefits. I hope I'll soon get my passport to go live in theory.)
  - bionsystem 2y ago
    Pretty sure I found a bunch of fake jobs in my previous research (H2 2023). Best exemple was an SRE job where I'm a 95% match on the (long and specialized) job description, the 5% being some xp in HPC but they have a dedicated team and a separate job offer for HPC specialist, so that sounds fine. They tell me I "don't have enough experience with debian" and offer me to apply for the HPC job. I go and list them all the experience I have with every bullet point of the job offer, and mention that I've been using debian for 20 years and ask what specific skillset they are looking for. No answer except "all we can do is start the process for the HPC job". I ended up finding something else where I'm not particularly interested, have no prior experience, but I'm paid way more than my previous job and they seem to love my work despite it being very slow and frustrating. So I'm just going to stick to that, and give up on the idea of finding "the dream job". More recently I found an offer where they told me they have a "multiple month hiring process" and I stopped answering to emails, pretty sure it's fake as well.
squiffsquiff 2y ago
What the presenter here chimes absolutely with my recent/ongoing experience. I've interviewed for a mix of permanent and contractor positions where supposedly everything has gone well with interviews but there's some BS or other, including: - Position withdrawn midway through interviews - Position withdrawn after final interview - Rejected on a minor skill component when employer has re-advertised this and several similar/associated positions repeatedly each week since - Repeated requests for 'one more interview' (did one, they decided they didn't need another) . Got 'verbal confirmation they want to take you' and told that 'everyone in the company at every level says they want to go ahead' but mysteriously they somehow haven't been able to commit that to writing. Matches ChatGPT summary of transcript for this video: To recognize signs of fake job postings, the presenter advises looking out for certain red flags, such as: - *Vague Job Descriptions*: If the job description lacks detail or is unclear about the responsibilities and requirements, it might be a ghost job. - *Repeated Postings*: If you notice the same job posting recurring over several months or even years without apparent updates, it could indicate that the role is not intended to be filled. - *No Response or Ghosting*: If you apply and even proceed through several rounds of interviews, only to be ghosted or told the position is no longer available, this could be a sign of a fake posting. - *Prolonged Hiring Process*: Companies that keep stringing along candidates without clear timelines for hiring or giving vague excuses might be using ghost job tactics. The presenter advises job seekers to be cautious and not take rejection personally, as these practices are often due to the company's strategies, not because of the candidate's qualifications. Ultimately, these signs help job seekers avoid companies that might be toxic or engage in unethical practices.
DebtDeflation 2y ago
Fake job postings have existed for the entire 27+ years I've been in the job market. A big part of it is recruiters just trying to build their CV database for the future. Another big part is recruiters and companies doing market research to see what skills are out there and compensation levels to make sure their employee compensation and candidate offers are in line with market. The final part is companies fulfilling the regulatory requirement to be able to say "we tried to find Americans and couldn't" before bringing on the H-1B's they always planned to bring on from the start.
rasso 2y ago
Another reason I could imagine for fake job postings: the company looks more successful if it has a lot of open positions listed. Kind of like a free advertising.
NatashaWash 2y ago
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81 points by titusblair 2y ago

Resume culling has been going on forever. It’s just a part of the game. This is why you need to make connections with actual people. Not networking. You need to build relationships and those relationships will automatically expand your ability to find work.

throwaway35777 2y ago
There also used to be Triplebyte. It filled a niche of talented people who have bad resumes and don't know anybody. Found a great job through them when I was starting out. Real shame there's nothing to replace it, there's huge arbitrage in the market of good people who don't know people. If I were starting out now I don't know what I would do, how do you even meet people.
- wodenokoto 2y ago
  How did triple the identify those people? I remember the name, but not their service.
  - mook 2y ago
    I recall that they were on HN previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23279837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23279837 (I haven't looked at their service and don't have plans to.)
    - throwaway35777 2y ago
      They shut down in 2023. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35184546 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35184546
  - naet 2y ago
    They did tons of open tech interviews for basically anyone who could pass an online quiz, and if they thought they found a good candidate Triplebyte would provide them as higher quality / prescreened candidates to other tech companies looking to make a hire (for a recruiting fee). I got my first job through Triplebyte actually. I think I would have gotten one without it since I was getting interviews and getting better at them. Even though I had passed the Triplebyte tech screen I got very few company "matches" or opportunities through them, but one ended up working out for me to get my foot in the door.
exitb 2y ago
I got my current job few years ago by just responding to a public posting, but I have noticed that nowadays most of new hires actually come recommended by someone. I wonder why the switch happened. Is it the community responding to lower demand for IT professionals?
- ang_cire 2y ago
  IMHO, not lower demand but higher supply, especially with all the big tech layoffs, and so we have a glut of applicants who know enough about tech in general to make it tough to tell if they're lying about their specialized experience until after you hire them, and they're desperate to get hired because either they were laid off, or they know they're competing with all the people who were, so they're more likely to take a job they're not really qualified for because it takes at least 6 months to let a new hire go, and that's 6 months of rent and food, so it's an easy choice. The first 5 years at my current job (7 years total), my team had *one* person join and leave. The past 2 years, we've had 3. No change in team leaders, style, nothing. In one case, they were just straight not doing anything. Like legitimately just not online for a whole week, except to pop into the daily standup on Friday, with their camera off and muted. They were given a task to complete as basically a "complete this or you're out" ultimatum, and they came to me to help them with doing it because they were totally lost. I tried to give them advice, but when they saw I wasn't going to do it for them they just went AWOL, and quit the next week. I'm lazy AF, and that shit was *wild*.
  - throwaway35777 2y ago
    Wow! What do you work on? Is the problem the ability of the candidates -- do you think it's possible for a "good" engineer to get productive on six months?
ThalesX 2y ago
I'd take this advice with a grain of salt. The best jobs I found in my life (n=1) were outside of my 'connections'. They were in other countries, continents and with some degrees of separation between the people involved and anyone I've ever built a connection with. Connections are important, but if you want to be seen, you need to put yourself out there, perhaps more important than making a connection with Ricky.
- ChicagoDave 2y ago
  I'd add the caveat that relationships matter more as your career matures. If you're in the beginning or middle, regular job postings are probably a larger target.

GuardianCaveman 2y ago

He says 33% of hiring managers admit to creating job reqs and advertising them with no intention of filling them so that the existing people on the teams those new hires would go to feel that help is on the way and they don't quit. But it's a trick to keep people from leaving and to be able to continue to overwork their employees and squeeze out a bit more before burnout.

tptacek 2y ago
Has anyone here ever seen this done, in any job they worked?
- tshaddox 2y ago
  I’ve never seen (as far as I know) the whole lying to your own team about hiring intentions, but I’ve been on small teams that aren’t actively hiring but leave stock job descriptions posted from the last time they were.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    I've seen one case where a job ad must have stayed up for years, though I only noticed it after the company closed down.
- thaumaturgy 2y ago
  Yes. About five years ago (so, not new), and for a smaller company. After months of carrying multiple projects myself, including one that deserved at least three more devs on it, I had run out of all the nice ways to plead with management to actually hire someone. So, during a companywide meeting, I loudly and firmly said I'd be out the door in 30 days if they didn't have someone started by then. They hired someone, I handled the technical interview, I trained him, and then they suggested maybe I should find a new job.
  - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
    > So, during a companywide meeting, I loudly and firmly said I'd be out the door in 30 days if they didn't have someone started by then. Why on earth would you do this in a companywide meeting?

DustinBrett 2y ago

Isn't "it's not your fault" some kind of positive affirmation?

awelxtr 2y ago
Of course, why wouldn't it?
kevingadd 2y ago
What's the purpose of this question? It's also a statement of fact in many cases.

bluemoola 2y ago

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galaxyofdoom 2y ago

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_wire_ 2y ago

The entire market is a game and sham according to my experience: When employers actually need labor they hire who comes along and train them to fit the needed roles while managing attrition. But what I'm seeing is all about arbitrage. When an employer prefers to leave positions unfilled without facing the costs of constructing skilled labor, they're just scalping. Employees are expected to self fund training in branded products to be "competitive". "Growth" / "innovation" become PR terms for automated scalp removal. What's weird is that internally at fat corps they don't know what to do with the skilled staff they have. For example Intel has a perpetual purgatory they literally call "the pool" where they send skilled staff to tread water before being laid off. They've had the pool for 35 years but have no internal equivalent of LinkedIn. They don't even bother to curate the staff they already have while endlessly seeking greenwood. The training is more than half outsourced to the community while the firm enjoys humongous tax breaks because it's "employer of choice". But weirder still, they'll help arrange for a PhD then dump the staff member a few years later. It's this incredible selfishness to process absent of purpose that leads to a community corroding pathos which explains why the Bay Area is one of the most stratified and regressive regions in the world. It produces churn where the only feature of the landscape that represents stability is in "Defense" contracts and a culture that produces policy like this: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2008/RAND_MG738.pdf https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2008/R...

rockemsockem 2y ago
I'm sorry that's been your experience. I have the good fortune to be able to say that it is not like that at many, many places. I also suspect that the state of affairs at Intel that you described is largely due to incompetence as opposed to selfishness.
- _wire_ 2y ago
  There's no need for condolences, it's not personal. Business is churn and crisis. If you've never seen it yourself, it's only that it hasn't occurred to you -yet-. It's in the news every day with reports like Tesla lays off thousands to cut costs while board gives CEO $50 billion payout. I do not see this as explainable through any idea of incompetence. It's about some wiley edge of control over profits. It's not contradictory that firms depend on skilled labor but are incapable of producing the conditions for constructing the needed labor force. Business has a long track record of enslaving labor and prefers to wreck labor as a force. Even at business's very best, it's widely understood that business / community partnerships are required to meet needs, where the community funds the training from which business cherry picks "talent" and while negotiating tax breaks that get passed on to investors executives. This can't be explained as incompetence, it's explained through organized contention between specific vested corporate interests and the broader community who bears the costs of cultivating the labor force. It's a story of business competency that led to Michael Moore to write about his stories about Flint Michigan, which became emblematic of US corporate culture. Within corporate enclaves you can always find a small population who have never endured the ongoing existential crisis which is business churn: People for whom the crisis of labor hasn't occurred... yet. For the special few who get to the grave in business having never seen any pathos... Is this good luck or a curse? There's no shortage of evidence! Look around your community and the commons, do you see decay? Is it explainable through "competence" or "incompetence?" It seems some other language is needed to explain what we see.

jader201 2y ago

This can’t happen in companies where you’re part of the hiring process. Every company I’ve worked for in the past several jobs has had me interviewing candidates directly. I’m part of the decision making on whether the candidate is hired, or which candidate from a panel is hired.

duskwuff 2y ago
> Every company I’ve worked for in the past several jobs has had me interviewing candidates directly. That doesn't mean you (or other employee interviewers) are seeing all the candidates. There are almost certainly a lot that are getting screened out before they reach that stage.
- jader201 2y ago
  This isn’t about whether all candidates receive a response. This is about whether positions are being created without ever planning to fill them. I think it’s perfectly fine to screen out candidates and not interview them. And while ideally they’d still get a response, I can see how volume can make it hard to receive a handcrafted personal response. But again, this is about companies creating positions strictly to improve the morale of the employees still around.
  - duskwuff 2y ago
    > This is about whether positions are being created without ever planning to fill them. Right. And what I mean is that, if your hiring department is posting job "openings" which they don't intend to fill, they probably aren't allowing any of the applicants to advance to an interview.
augunrik 2y ago
Can you also see if every job position was filled in the end?

veltas 2y ago

I filled a job role that had been up for a year once, they weren't happy with the candidates until they saw me, this was in a less populated area.

dehrmann 2y ago

Aside from it just being a tough job market, the rise in remote work means there are now an order of magnitude more candidates for any position that isn't explicitly hybrid or in-office, and there ends up being a paradox of choice.

TheChaplain 2y ago
In my experience office jobs in general seem to get a lot of applicants per opened position. Majority of them does not even pass requirements for the job, but they try anyway (recruiting is SO exhausting in that aspect). Doesn't seem to be enough jobs and too much people needing one.

richrichie 2y ago

I see it as free brand advertisement. The company appears "active" and "growing" in google searches. Head hunters have started doing it as well.

infogulch 2y ago

It seems like this practice of always having job listings posted, even if you don't intend to fill them, effectively hides the internal status of a company from the public. This signal -- "the company has more or fewer job listings compared to the past or compared to other companies" -- could have a marked effect on current employees, investors, analysts, etc. But the company may want more control over how these groups perceive it, so it masks this internal state by adding noise to the signal.

geraldhh 2y ago
somewhat like ppl that oversell their sexual availability in order to always have options and never be in need. it's a way of life, but not everybody can do it
keiferski 2y ago
Probably an inevitable consequence of valuations being based on information and speculation, and not bottom line economics. The companies that don’t project an exterior of “we’re doing great” end up losing to the ones that do, regardless of what’s actually going on inside.

dottjt 2y ago

I feel a large part of it is that companies are getting regular employees to do more of the interviewing, so it's like they get people in simply so they can train those employees interviewing skills. I know at the previous company I worked at you couldn't get promoted unless if you were partaking in interviews, so I feel that might be a potential reason.

phtrivier 2y ago

The video's description, channel and host trigger so many "this is a scam" alarms that I'm prevented to watch more than 2m. Does the guy at any point provides any kind of substantial proof that companies are actually doing that ? I'm curious what it could be. But maybe it's because my gig has a hard time _actually finding people to hire_ ...

geraldhh 2y ago
> my gig has a hard time _actually finding people to hire lots of ppl have a hard time finding a gainful employment; seems there is something wrong with expectations (probably on both sides)
- redrove 2y ago
  > seems there is something wrong with expectations (probably on both sides) It’s pay, on both sides. Maybe remote working too. People work for money, fake company “benefits” are a scam and people have caught up.
  - phtrivier 2y ago
    Surprisingly, skill plays a part in recruiting, too ;) You're not _always_ looking to fill a position where good junior people can fit - that reduces the pool of acceptable applicants. (In theory, the market dynamics are supposed to eventually match expected skills vs desired benefits. I hope I'll soon get my passport to go live in theory.)
- bionsystem 2y ago
  Pretty sure I found a bunch of fake jobs in my previous research (H2 2023). Best exemple was an SRE job where I'm a 95% match on the (long and specialized) job description, the 5% being some xp in HPC but they have a dedicated team and a separate job offer for HPC specialist, so that sounds fine. They tell me I "don't have enough experience with debian" and offer me to apply for the HPC job. I go and list them all the experience I have with every bullet point of the job offer, and mention that I've been using debian for 20 years and ask what specific skillset they are looking for. No answer except "all we can do is start the process for the HPC job". I ended up finding something else where I'm not particularly interested, have no prior experience, but I'm paid way more than my previous job and they seem to love my work despite it being very slow and frustrating. So I'm just going to stick to that, and give up on the idea of finding "the dream job". More recently I found an offer where they told me they have a "multiple month hiring process" and I stopped answering to emails, pretty sure it's fake as well.

squiffsquiff 2y ago

What the presenter here chimes absolutely with my recent/ongoing experience. I've interviewed for a mix of permanent and contractor positions where supposedly everything has gone well with interviews but there's some BS or other, including: - Position withdrawn midway through interviews - Position withdrawn after final interview - Rejected on a minor skill component when employer has re-advertised this and several similar/associated positions repeatedly each week since - Repeated requests for 'one more interview' (did one, they decided they didn't need another) . Got 'verbal confirmation they want to take you' and told that 'everyone in the company at every level says they want to go ahead' but mysteriously they somehow haven't been able to commit that to writing. Matches ChatGPT summary of transcript for this video: To recognize signs of fake job postings, the presenter advises looking out for certain red flags, such as: - *Vague Job Descriptions*: If the job description lacks detail or is unclear about the responsibilities and requirements, it might be a ghost job. - *Repeated Postings*: If you notice the same job posting recurring over several months or even years without apparent updates, it could indicate that the role is not intended to be filled. - *No Response or Ghosting*: If you apply and even proceed through several rounds of interviews, only to be ghosted or told the position is no longer available, this could be a sign of a fake posting. - *Prolonged Hiring Process*: Companies that keep stringing along candidates without clear timelines for hiring or giving vague excuses might be using ghost job tactics. The presenter advises job seekers to be cautious and not take rejection personally, as these practices are often due to the company's strategies, not because of the candidate's qualifications. Ultimately, these signs help job seekers avoid companies that might be toxic or engage in unethical practices.

DebtDeflation 2y ago

Fake job postings have existed for the entire 27+ years I've been in the job market. A big part of it is recruiters just trying to build their CV database for the future. Another big part is recruiters and companies doing market research to see what skills are out there and compensation levels to make sure their employee compensation and candidate offers are in line with market. The final part is companies fulfilling the regulatory requirement to be able to say "we tried to find Americans and couldn't" before bringing on the H-1B's they always planned to bring on from the start.

rasso 2y ago

Another reason I could imagine for fake job postings: the company looks more successful if it has a lot of open positions listed. Kind of like a free advertising.

NatashaWash 2y ago

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