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Surely this should have been a risk accounted for and the shipment should have been diverted or cancelled? It’s not like the payload was unknown or the possibil

Surely this should have been a risk accounted for and the shipment should have been diverted or cancelled? It’s not like the payload was unknown or the possibility of an attack was new? I really don’t understand why we keep shipping through there. Yes, it will cause 2% (the number I found) inflation. We (US) have had worse. Many places survive (albeit with damage) 100% YoY inflation. Let’s just stop escalating conflicts for money, people’s lives and global peace are worth more than that.

gruez 2y ago
The US might only feel 2% inflation, but that doesn't mean other countries (ie. developing ones) are going to get off as easily. Food spending makes up more of their budget there, so the impact will be much higher, not to mention they're poorer to start with and are already feeling the effects from the inflation caused by the pandemic/Ukraine war .
pfannkuchen 2y ago
Inflation is a misleading term here IMO. It would cause a shortage in shipping capacity, which would produce a price increase. There is no reason to believe that this would be persistent enough to consider it a change in the value of the currency itself (since the alternative routes may be improved etc). If this is inflation, then everything is inflation.
nradov 2y ago
Why are you trying to make this about the US? We have very little trade through that route. Other countries that do rely on that route obviously can't give in to terrorists regardless of environmental risks.
- enterprise_cog 2y ago
  Ansar Allah is targeting the US, Israel, and their allies who support Israel. China can sail the route just fine, for example.
  - nradov 2y ago
    Don't be naive. Regardless of the propaganda they might try to push, the Houthis are engaged in indiscriminate terrorism as Iranian proxies and have attacked vessels owned and operated by multiple nations regardless of links to Israel. They hit the Chinese / Panamanian tanker MV Huang Pu. https://news.usni.org/2024/03/24/chinese-tanker-hit-with-houthi-missile-in-the-red-sea https://news.usni.org/2024/03/24/chinese-tanker-hit-with-hou...
    - enterprise_cog 2y ago
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      - tptacek 2y ago
        Unless they can time travel, the bigger problem for the Houthi solidarity claims is that these attacks began before the invasion of Gaza.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    Ansar Allah has targeted random ships, including Russian tankers, and, most notably, was conducting these attacks before the October 7th attacks; their advocacy for Israel is a retcon. It's worth pointing out that if Ansar Allah succeeded in liberating Palestine, their next action would be to burn down all the mosques --- Palestinians are overwhelmingly Sunni (and Hamas is an explicitly Sunni organization), and Ansar Allah is at war with Sunnis in Yemen, where it has been destroying mosques for the last year.
    - enterprise_cog 2y ago
      Which Russian tanker? One was hit carrying Russian naphtha, the Marlin Luanda, but it was not owned by Russia. AA claims it was British[0]. What ship attacks happened prior to the 7th? > "It's worth pointing out that if Ansar Allah succeeded in liberating Palestine, their next action would be to burn down all the mosques" No, it wouldn't. This is pure conjecture. The Sunni and Shia conflict in Yemen is far more complex than you are trying to make it sound. The Sunni Saudis have been inflicting a famine on Yemen for years. The Sunni Emiratis have been assassinating and conducting terrorism within Yemen. This is important context to leave out. [0]https://web.archive.org/web/20240127202900/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68110358 https://web.archive.org/web/20240127202900/https://www.bbc.c...

gruez 2y ago

The US might only feel 2% inflation, but that doesn't mean other countries (ie. developing ones) are going to get off as easily. Food spending makes up more of their budget there, so the impact will be much higher, not to mention they're poorer to start with and are already feeling the effects from the inflation caused by the pandemic/Ukraine war .

pfannkuchen 2y ago

Inflation is a misleading term here IMO. It would cause a shortage in shipping capacity, which would produce a price increase. There is no reason to believe that this would be persistent enough to consider it a change in the value of the currency itself (since the alternative routes may be improved etc). If this is inflation, then everything is inflation.

nradov 2y ago

Why are you trying to make this about the US? We have very little trade through that route. Other countries that do rely on that route obviously can't give in to terrorists regardless of environmental risks.

enterprise_cog 2y ago
Ansar Allah is targeting the US, Israel, and their allies who support Israel. China can sail the route just fine, for example.
- nradov 2y ago
  Don't be naive. Regardless of the propaganda they might try to push, the Houthis are engaged in indiscriminate terrorism as Iranian proxies and have attacked vessels owned and operated by multiple nations regardless of links to Israel. They hit the Chinese / Panamanian tanker MV Huang Pu. https://news.usni.org/2024/03/24/chinese-tanker-hit-with-houthi-missile-in-the-red-sea https://news.usni.org/2024/03/24/chinese-tanker-hit-with-hou...
  - enterprise_cog 2y ago
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    - tptacek 2y ago
      Unless they can time travel, the bigger problem for the Houthi solidarity claims is that these attacks began before the invasion of Gaza.
- tptacek 2y ago
  Ansar Allah has targeted random ships, including Russian tankers, and, most notably, was conducting these attacks before the October 7th attacks; their advocacy for Israel is a retcon. It's worth pointing out that if Ansar Allah succeeded in liberating Palestine, their next action would be to burn down all the mosques --- Palestinians are overwhelmingly Sunni (and Hamas is an explicitly Sunni organization), and Ansar Allah is at war with Sunnis in Yemen, where it has been destroying mosques for the last year.
  - enterprise_cog 2y ago
    Which Russian tanker? One was hit carrying Russian naphtha, the Marlin Luanda, but it was not owned by Russia. AA claims it was British[0]. What ship attacks happened prior to the 7th? > "It's worth pointing out that if Ansar Allah succeeded in liberating Palestine, their next action would be to burn down all the mosques" No, it wouldn't. This is pure conjecture. The Sunni and Shia conflict in Yemen is far more complex than you are trying to make it sound. The Sunni Saudis have been inflicting a famine on Yemen for years. The Sunni Emiratis have been assassinating and conducting terrorism within Yemen. This is important context to leave out. [0]https://web.archive.org/web/20240127202900/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68110358 https://web.archive.org/web/20240127202900/https://www.bbc.c...