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What fiasco? I think I'm missing some context here

by kitchi 2y ago

nadermx 2y ago
From my understanding, reddit is losing 100m+ a year and their CEO gets paid more than Nvda ceo, or apple ceo.
- extraduder_ire 2y ago
  I think the often-quoted amount that huffmann is going to be paid includes stock he owns (will own?), with its valuation based on the targeted IPO price. I don't think he's getting paid an absurd amount of cash right now.
  - mportela 2y ago
    It's in his interest to have a small cash compensation though since long-term capital gains tax is smaller than income tax. Also, he can always take a loan against his stock to get liquidity without triggering income tax.
- misiti3780 2y ago
  193M
  - misiti3780 2y ago
    getting downvoted for posting a true, public piece of information ... cool
- nineplay 2y ago
  That headline has been linked everywhere so of course it's untrue. a) He received an large bonus and b) his increased salary is still half of NVIDIA's CEO. "Huffman in 2023 got a salary of $341,346, which is relatively low for a CEO of a major public corporation. In February, this was raised to $550,000. He also got a $792,000 bonus last year based on Reddit's user numbers, revenue, and a type of profitability known as adjusted EBITDA that excludes certain expenses." https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-defends-193-million-compensation-package-2024-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-def...
- mycologos 2y ago
  Looking at their SEC filing [1], the CEO compensation breaks down into ~$1mil of cash and ~$192mil roughly split between stock and options. Both the stock and options appear to have further conditions attached to them that reduce that number further. I'm not even a fake accountant, so I don't understand the exact nature of the dilution, but the $193mil overall number seems to assume a lot of stuff goes extremely well in the IPO. I think the stock number assumes a stock price of ~$33. [1] https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1713445/000162828024010137/reddit-sx1a1.htm#i1b9a579e78a34dfa99f7f26daeec195b_94 https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1713445/000162828024...
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bloopernova 2y ago
They weren't making advertising money from 3rd party API clients like RIF is Fun or Apollo. They decided to increase the price of API calls to an impractically high amount. This was uncovered by the Apollo dev, who recorded their meetings with the Reddit leadership, which also uncovered that Reddit leadership was lying about the interaction (accusing the Apollo dev of extortion I believe). Reddit wanted $12,000 for something other sites charged approximately $200. (see the reply to this comment by neilv for information that casts doubt on the "reddit leadership lying" part of this) Instead of charging 3rd party clients $5/month or something and retaining them, Reddit banned all 3rd party clients. But then went back on that after realizing that people with disabilities used 3rd party clients to access the site because Reddit's own app was not usable for them. Other 3rd party apps were still banned though. People protested, eventually taking thousands of subreddits offline, which Reddit then fixed by replacing the moderators/owners of each subreddit. There's probably more I'm missing, but basically Reddit tried to rent-seek but their engineering teams weren't able to provide the infrastructure needed to support API subscriptions for 3rd party apps. Edited to add: The initial Apollo developer thread is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_ca... And the post that details Reddit leadership lying about the Apollo dev: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_t...
- dncornholio 2y ago
  > People protested, eventually taking thousands of subreddits offline, which Reddit then fixed by replacing the moderators/owners of each subreddit. Reddit couldn't have handled this better IMO. Mods literally held subs hostage, which, when you think of it, is just so stupid it made for some good natural selection.
- neilv 2y ago
  > which also uncovered that Reddit leadership was lying about the interaction (accusing the Apollo dev of extortion I believe). I wasted a lot of time going through transcripts and recordings at the time, and (to my ear, and knowledge of the world) the facts available didn't fully support the confident accusations that the angry villagers with pitchforks were repeating from each other. Which injustice is kinda poetic, if you consider how Reddit as a venue nurtured thinking like "we did it, reddit!" and other collective stupidity.
Jenk 2y ago
Reddit is about to IPO. YC are principle investors.

What fiasco? I think I'm missing some context here

by kitchi 2y ago

What fiasco? I think I'm missing some context here

nadermx 2y ago

From my understanding, reddit is losing 100m+ a year and their CEO gets paid more than Nvda ceo, or apple ceo.

extraduder_ire 2y ago
I think the often-quoted amount that huffmann is going to be paid includes stock he owns (will own?), with its valuation based on the targeted IPO price. I don't think he's getting paid an absurd amount of cash right now.
- mportela 2y ago
  It's in his interest to have a small cash compensation though since long-term capital gains tax is smaller than income tax. Also, he can always take a loan against his stock to get liquidity without triggering income tax.
misiti3780 2y ago
193M
- misiti3780 2y ago
  getting downvoted for posting a true, public piece of information ... cool
nineplay 2y ago
That headline has been linked everywhere so of course it's untrue. a) He received an large bonus and b) his increased salary is still half of NVIDIA's CEO. "Huffman in 2023 got a salary of $341,346, which is relatively low for a CEO of a major public corporation. In February, this was raised to $550,000. He also got a $792,000 bonus last year based on Reddit's user numbers, revenue, and a type of profitability known as adjusted EBITDA that excludes certain expenses." https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-defends-193-million-compensation-package-2024-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-def...
mycologos 2y ago
Looking at their SEC filing [1], the CEO compensation breaks down into ~$1mil of cash and ~$192mil roughly split between stock and options. Both the stock and options appear to have further conditions attached to them that reduce that number further. I'm not even a fake accountant, so I don't understand the exact nature of the dilution, but the $193mil overall number seems to assume a lot of stuff goes extremely well in the IPO. I think the stock number assumes a stock price of ~$33. [1] https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1713445/000162828024010137/reddit-sx1a1.htm#i1b9a579e78a34dfa99f7f26daeec195b_94 https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1713445/000162828024...

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bloopernova 2y ago

They weren't making advertising money from 3rd party API clients like RIF is Fun or Apollo. They decided to increase the price of API calls to an impractically high amount. This was uncovered by the Apollo dev, who recorded their meetings with the Reddit leadership, which also uncovered that Reddit leadership was lying about the interaction (accusing the Apollo dev of extortion I believe). Reddit wanted $12,000 for something other sites charged approximately $200. (see the reply to this comment by neilv for information that casts doubt on the "reddit leadership lying" part of this) Instead of charging 3rd party clients $5/month or something and retaining them, Reddit banned all 3rd party clients. But then went back on that after realizing that people with disabilities used 3rd party clients to access the site because Reddit's own app was not usable for them. Other 3rd party apps were still banned though. People protested, eventually taking thousands of subreddits offline, which Reddit then fixed by replacing the moderators/owners of each subreddit. There's probably more I'm missing, but basically Reddit tried to rent-seek but their engineering teams weren't able to provide the infrastructure needed to support API subscriptions for 3rd party apps. Edited to add: The initial Apollo developer thread is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_ca... And the post that details Reddit leadership lying about the Apollo dev: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_t...

dncornholio 2y ago
> People protested, eventually taking thousands of subreddits offline, which Reddit then fixed by replacing the moderators/owners of each subreddit. Reddit couldn't have handled this better IMO. Mods literally held subs hostage, which, when you think of it, is just so stupid it made for some good natural selection.
neilv 2y ago
> which also uncovered that Reddit leadership was lying about the interaction (accusing the Apollo dev of extortion I believe). I wasted a lot of time going through transcripts and recordings at the time, and (to my ear, and knowledge of the world) the facts available didn't fully support the confident accusations that the angry villagers with pitchforks were repeating from each other. Which injustice is kinda poetic, if you consider how Reddit as a venue nurtured thinking like "we did it, reddit!" and other collective stupidity.

Jenk 2y ago

Reddit is about to IPO. YC are principle investors.