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Naive thought since I'm not familiar with the situation, but since Uber/Lyft could simply raise rates it seems to me this is political posturing on their part t

by twh270 3y ago

Naive thought since I'm not familiar with the situation, but since Uber/Lyft could simply raise rates it seems to me this is political posturing on their part to see if they can force the city to back down. What am I missing here?

brodouevencode 3y ago
They could raise rates but also run the risk of losing customers at the margin. Uber and Lyft are publicly traded companies and, as such, are required by their stockholders to maximize profit - which means raising rates, lowing costs (labor), or some mix of that (and more). The problem here, as I see it, is that the model changed from being highly accurate (payment per mile, which can happen in a minute) to something more broad (payment per 15 minutes according to FLSA rules as I understand them).
- Ekaros 3y ago
  So they choose to lose all the money instead some? Is that really in best interest of their stock holders?
  - brodouevencode 2y ago
    When it comes to market viability there will come a time at which companies just pull out because the headache is too much, even if they are somewhat profitable. FWIW I think this is posturing on Uber/Lyft's behalf, but is almost certainly a sign of future actions if they cannot make the number work.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    They would have to invent a new business model to operate with an hourly minimum wage. Currently they demand very little of their drivers since they don't have to pay when the driver doesn't have a client, but add an hourly minimum wage and now they have to manage drivers a lot more to ensure they are worth that pay per hour. Now they will get replaced by more traditionally run taxi companies that managers their drivers tighter. Edit: Or no, the law explicitly said how much ride shares should pay per mile and per minute riding. So scratch that, not sure why they pulled out here.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > are required by their stockholders to maximize profit This is a myth.
  - brodouevencode 2y ago
    If that's not it what is it?
    - SauciestGNU 2y ago
      "Fiduciary duty" can mean a lot beyond maximizing profit, but generally acting in good faith to advance the interests of the company is enough to satisfy that.

by twh270 3y ago

brodouevencode 3y ago

They could raise rates but also run the risk of losing customers at the margin. Uber and Lyft are publicly traded companies and, as such, are required by their stockholders to maximize profit - which means raising rates, lowing costs (labor), or some mix of that (and more). The problem here, as I see it, is that the model changed from being highly accurate (payment per mile, which can happen in a minute) to something more broad (payment per 15 minutes according to FLSA rules as I understand them).

Ekaros 3y ago
So they choose to lose all the money instead some? Is that really in best interest of their stock holders?
- brodouevencode 2y ago
  When it comes to market viability there will come a time at which companies just pull out because the headache is too much, even if they are somewhat profitable. FWIW I think this is posturing on Uber/Lyft's behalf, but is almost certainly a sign of future actions if they cannot make the number work.
- Jensson 2y ago
  They would have to invent a new business model to operate with an hourly minimum wage. Currently they demand very little of their drivers since they don't have to pay when the driver doesn't have a client, but add an hourly minimum wage and now they have to manage drivers a lot more to ensure they are worth that pay per hour. Now they will get replaced by more traditionally run taxi companies that managers their drivers tighter. Edit: Or no, the law explicitly said how much ride shares should pay per mile and per minute riding. So scratch that, not sure why they pulled out here.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> are required by their stockholders to maximize profit This is a myth.
- brodouevencode 2y ago
  If that's not it what is it?
  - SauciestGNU 2y ago
    "Fiduciary duty" can mean a lot beyond maximizing profit, but generally acting in good faith to advance the interests of the company is enough to satisfy that.