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How is nvidia on wayland these days? Is running an nvidia gpu + gnome/kde + steam viable these days? Do most games work well?

bryanlarsen 3y ago
gnome & kde have links in the Nvidia section at the bottom with good articles showing current status.
bogwog 3y ago
I've been daily driving KDE/Wayland/Nvidia for about a year and it's perfectly usable. There are odd bugs every now and then, but nothing that's a show stopper.
- jtriangle 3y ago
  KDE/Wayland/Nvidia->random bugs KDE/X11/Nvidia->No random bugs It is a show stopper when the alternative is more reliable. If I'm playing around, ie, not doing actual work, sure, wayland is cool, and fine. I get the draw. When I'm trying to get something done, I'd much rather use X11 for now.
  - bogwog 3y ago
    I said it was perfectly usable and I meant that. It's my full-time primary workstation, which I use for "actual work" every day. I could waste time elaborating on why that is, listing the odd bugs I mentioned, etc. But I suspect you're part of that crowd that froths at the mouth whenever the name "Wayland" is brought up no matter what. No other explanation explains why you'd leap from "odd bugs" to the inability to "get something done". Instead, I'll just leave my system build so anyone passing by can give it a go if they want to actually try it out: * Fedora Kinoite 39 * Nvidia rtx 4090 (driver 545.29.06) * AMD Ryzen 9 7900
    - jtriangle 3y ago
      I'm not part of any group, much less one that 'froths' unless you're talking about frothing milk, in which case, yes, I am very much a part of the milk frother's group, that shit's delicious. That toungue in cheek answer is all you deserve, being that HN users like you are a big problem, ie, ones that assume liberally about other users. We'll see if you're in the worst of the worst camp if you fail to recant your assumption. You're using Fedora, which, they've patched up their flavor of KDE pretty well to work with Wayland/Nividia. I don't use Fedora, and I don't really like Fedora so switching isn't something I'm personally interested in, and the easy KDE installs I have access to through my distros of choice don't support Wayland/Nvidia well, but work fine with x11. And "x11 is fine" is a part of the discussion that, I don't see come up nearly enough in the "use wayland/don't use wayland" discussions online. What exactly do you get out of using wayland? The answer is "nothing worth more than a bugfree experience". Objectively. And don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for wayland, I get the benefits full well, and I don't think I'm rooting in vain, it'll get there. I also accept that "getting there" is going to involve pushing it into distros before it's really ready in order to generate bug reports. Debian handles this currently by defaulting to wayland where it can, and allowing for an easy way back to x11 if needed. I think that's reasonable enough. I also think debian should have had it defaulted the other way around for another year or two but, I'm far from 'frothing' about it. All that to say, wayland's not ready for prod. X11 is fine, and will continue to be fine until wayland is ready for prod, and like many things in the linux space, it is indeed better to wait until then unless you have an actual need that can't be satisfied by x11.
- saurik 3y ago
  Why use something "perfectly usable" with "odd bugs" when you can use something that "actually works"?
  - k8svet 3y ago
    You and everyone else in this thread know why. The list of benefits from Wayland is touted repeatedly, in every single one of these threads, for years. We get it, you don't care about mixed DPI, fractional scaling, HDR, non-tearing performance, VRR, a viable driver model for the 2020s, etc. You know, features that consumers expect. HN should ban these threads. They're g-d absolutely worse than the worst politics threads.
    - creshal 3y ago
      Consumers mostly expect their computers to actually work, these days. They neither know or care about what "a viable driver model for the 2020s" is, they want screensharing to not break every other month.
      - k8svet 3y ago
        You all really just drive home your ignorance when you say stuff like this. Screenshotting has never regressed to my knowledge, once it began working, in any wayland DE. I use Wayland. Every damn day. I make a lot of money doing software engineering. All day. I screen share all day.
        creshal 3y ago
        Screenshotting != Screensharing The last two jobs I worked in was in linux-heavy devops departments. The Wayland users are having far more trouble than any of the X11/Mac/Windows users, and probably more than all of them combined. Maybe it is possible that all of them are just "holding it wrong", but if Wayland is that easy to break, it's still a no sell for me.
        3y ago
fishpen0 3y ago
For me its a jittery nightmare. I can't even play a video in vlc and still have firefox scroll smoothly on another monitor. I can turn my desktop experience into a slide show if I set the refresh rate on all three monitors to 144hz. Its silly I'm looking at choosing between having a good linux desktop experience _or_ being able to use CUDA for ML/AI stuff OR having to build a second computer so I can have a gaming computer on AMD _and_ a work node on NVIDIA
Affric 3y ago
Below the performance you would like by a long way. Always improving.

bryanlarsen 3y ago

gnome & kde have links in the Nvidia section at the bottom with good articles showing current status.

bogwog 3y ago

I've been daily driving KDE/Wayland/Nvidia for about a year and it's perfectly usable. There are odd bugs every now and then, but nothing that's a show stopper.

jtriangle 3y ago
KDE/Wayland/Nvidia->random bugs KDE/X11/Nvidia->No random bugs It is a show stopper when the alternative is more reliable. If I'm playing around, ie, not doing actual work, sure, wayland is cool, and fine. I get the draw. When I'm trying to get something done, I'd much rather use X11 for now.
- bogwog 3y ago
  I said it was perfectly usable and I meant that. It's my full-time primary workstation, which I use for "actual work" every day. I could waste time elaborating on why that is, listing the odd bugs I mentioned, etc. But I suspect you're part of that crowd that froths at the mouth whenever the name "Wayland" is brought up no matter what. No other explanation explains why you'd leap from "odd bugs" to the inability to "get something done". Instead, I'll just leave my system build so anyone passing by can give it a go if they want to actually try it out: * Fedora Kinoite 39 * Nvidia rtx 4090 (driver 545.29.06) * AMD Ryzen 9 7900
  - jtriangle 3y ago
    I'm not part of any group, much less one that 'froths' unless you're talking about frothing milk, in which case, yes, I am very much a part of the milk frother's group, that shit's delicious. That toungue in cheek answer is all you deserve, being that HN users like you are a big problem, ie, ones that assume liberally about other users. We'll see if you're in the worst of the worst camp if you fail to recant your assumption. You're using Fedora, which, they've patched up their flavor of KDE pretty well to work with Wayland/Nividia. I don't use Fedora, and I don't really like Fedora so switching isn't something I'm personally interested in, and the easy KDE installs I have access to through my distros of choice don't support Wayland/Nvidia well, but work fine with x11. And "x11 is fine" is a part of the discussion that, I don't see come up nearly enough in the "use wayland/don't use wayland" discussions online. What exactly do you get out of using wayland? The answer is "nothing worth more than a bugfree experience". Objectively. And don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for wayland, I get the benefits full well, and I don't think I'm rooting in vain, it'll get there. I also accept that "getting there" is going to involve pushing it into distros before it's really ready in order to generate bug reports. Debian handles this currently by defaulting to wayland where it can, and allowing for an easy way back to x11 if needed. I think that's reasonable enough. I also think debian should have had it defaulted the other way around for another year or two but, I'm far from 'frothing' about it. All that to say, wayland's not ready for prod. X11 is fine, and will continue to be fine until wayland is ready for prod, and like many things in the linux space, it is indeed better to wait until then unless you have an actual need that can't be satisfied by x11.
saurik 3y ago
Why use something "perfectly usable" with "odd bugs" when you can use something that "actually works"?
- k8svet 3y ago
  You and everyone else in this thread know why. The list of benefits from Wayland is touted repeatedly, in every single one of these threads, for years. We get it, you don't care about mixed DPI, fractional scaling, HDR, non-tearing performance, VRR, a viable driver model for the 2020s, etc. You know, features that consumers expect. HN should ban these threads. They're g-d absolutely worse than the worst politics threads.
  - creshal 3y ago
    Consumers mostly expect their computers to actually work, these days. They neither know or care about what "a viable driver model for the 2020s" is, they want screensharing to not break every other month.
    - k8svet 3y ago
      You all really just drive home your ignorance when you say stuff like this. Screenshotting has never regressed to my knowledge, once it began working, in any wayland DE. I use Wayland. Every damn day. I make a lot of money doing software engineering. All day. I screen share all day.
      - creshal 3y ago
        Screenshotting != Screensharing The last two jobs I worked in was in linux-heavy devops departments. The Wayland users are having far more trouble than any of the X11/Mac/Windows users, and probably more than all of them combined. Maybe it is possible that all of them are just "holding it wrong", but if Wayland is that easy to break, it's still a no sell for me.
        3y ago

fishpen0 3y ago

For me its a jittery nightmare. I can't even play a video in vlc and still have firefox scroll smoothly on another monitor. I can turn my desktop experience into a slide show if I set the refresh rate on all three monitors to 144hz. Its silly I'm looking at choosing between having a good linux desktop experience _or_ being able to use CUDA for ML/AI stuff OR having to build a second computer so I can have a gaming computer on AMD _and_ a work node on NVIDIA

Affric 3y ago

Below the performance you would like by a long way. Always improving.