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Mac Virtual Display on Vision Pro Requires Same Apple ID
- ricardobeat 3y agoThis annoyance also extends to other features like using an iPhone as webcam, unlocking with Apple Watch, using Apple Music (you can’t login to a different account, only the system one)… MDM is so common in every tech company - I bet Apple’s own employee issued macs are managed, it is inexplicable how this is still a problem.
- WWLink 3y agoHuh? That must've been a recent change. I used to log into apple music via itunes with my personal account while MacOS itself was using my work account.. yep, two separate apple IDs. That sucks.
- plussed_reader 3y agoI think this is the 'https' flavor of the airplay handshake and it doesn't play well with the federated setup I use with work. Sidecar won't work with federated flavor of my orgs appleID. It could be policy, but I'm pretty sure it should work.
- chrnola 3y ago> I bet Apple’s own employee issued macs are managed I thought so too. The Apple retail employee that gave me the demo of the Vision Pro confirmed this. He said the manager at his store had a Vision Pro and wanted to use it with his Apple-issued Mac, which was managed via MDM.
- turquoisevar 3y agoApple’s MDM is a bit different. It runs through a SSO service called Apple Connect and Apple encourages employees to use their personal Apple ID to link to it instead of creating a separate Apple ID. It essentially adds a special entitlement to someone’s Apple ID, similar to how a dev gets App Store Connect access added to their Apple ID when they enroll into the developer program. This makes it so that every MDM device is logged into the personal Apple ID.
- chrnola 3y agoOh interesting. Might explain why Apple employees aren’t feeling this same pressure. Do you know if Apple’s MDM is the same for their retail and corporate employees? Also - I’m not super well versed in MDMs, but they seem to come in two general flavors/deployment strategies: bring-your-own-device (BYOD) and manage a fleet of employer-owned hardware. In my experience, I’ve only ever seen BYOD policies for employee-owned _smartphones_ (e.g. for access to an intranet mail server). I’ve never worked anywhere that permitted employees to use their own _workstations_.
- turquoisevar 3y ago> Do you know if Apple’s MDM is the same for their retail and corporate employees? Apple Connect, SSO authentication service, is used by all Apple employees, both corporate and retail. The actual MDM itself (what is allowed, how much is controlled, what can be accessed, etc. etc.) does vary from corporate to retail and between employee roles and departments and from device to device (BYOD v. Apple owned devices). To facilitate this they use a bit of a patchwork of mainly in-house developed solutions and Jamf MDM services. A lot of it is pretty well documented in public, The Apple Wiki page[0] on Apple’s internal apps would be a good entry point to go down the rabbit hole, should you be so inclined. Just keep in mind that a lot of the information on the inner workings of Apple will be perpetually outdated, due to the nature of that information and its reliance on employees leaking information. You’ll find that most publicly available information is about stuff on the retail side, because corporate employees usually are more risk averse when it comes to jeopardizing their job. 0: https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/Apple_Internal_Apps https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/Apple_Internal_Apps
- w-ll 3y agoThe real crime is Macbooks still ship with a 1080p camera when their ungodly huge phones ship with 48MP
- SoftTalker 3y agoWhat does anyone use the Macbook camera for except video calls or meetings. 1080p is more than enough for that.
- w-ll 3y agoFace tracking. Even for my self, sounds crazy but a handful of my terminal aliases attempt to capture my mood by scanning my face so I can make a fun chart of my emotion while commiting code. The fact companies sell products to stick mounting gear on a Macbook to mount your iphone to capture better video will tell you theres a market.
- piskov 3y agoDo you want your laptop screen be as thick as an iPhone? It’s just basic physics: you cannot have 1-inch sensor with a lens right on top of it in 3-5mm of total thickness. Just the same way your eye is not flat but 2cm long.
- w-ll 3y agothe camera protrudes on iPhones making them not sit flat, why cant they add a little bump to the outter shell of the top of the Macbook to fit better cameras? The options are 3rd party things to mount your phone that take up way more space.
- piskov 3y agoYou do understand that larger sensor means not only thicker package but also larger width? Would you like 1cm black border around your display like it’s a pc from 2010? Short answer: all this would make an ugly laptop. That’s why they created belkin magsafe iphone camera mount
- rovr138 3y agoI can’t use my wife’s iPad as a second display. Joined her on a travel trip. She went to the office, decided to try using her iPad as a second monitor via usb c… nope. Can’t do that. No idea why. It’s unlocked. It’s trusted. Why can’t it be used?
- piskov 3y agoSurely there’s an app for that: “Duet display” exists more than a decade (sidecar basically sherlocked it). Also something called Astra or Luna (don’t remember exactly).
- ClassyJacket 3y agoBecause these artificial limitations make you more likely to buy a second one
- lilyball 3y agoMDM does not by default prevent users from logging in with their own AppleID.
- davisp 3y agoWho are these companies that either require a non-personal Apple Id or forbid a personal Apple Id? I’ve worked for startups and multinationals and never had an issue with my work machine allowing a personal Apple Id. Obviously I have to be personally ok with allowing work possible access to my Apple Id, but for me it’s an acceptable trade off given that they have access to everything I say on Slack, and if we’re being honest, that’s the where the “HR needs a word” is gonna come from.
- Dalewyn 3y agoNever ever ever mix personal and professional anything, for that way lies hell and tragedy.
- jtc331 3y agoThe truth is, as usual, probably somewhere in the middle.
- SoftTalker 3y agoMost of the time it's fine. But it can become a very major problem, and the risk is easily avoided. If you need some equipment for work, work should pay for it. If you can BYOD and want to do that, don't use it for anything else.
- jtc331 3y agoI don’t understand the downvotes to this comment. Obviously you can disagree, but it’s the obvious question in response to lots of commenters implying this isn’t possible.
- piperswe 3y agoMy employer requires you to use a work Apple ID if you use an Apple ID (optional for just MacBook, required if you have a work iPhone). I think it's perfectly reasonable - I don't want my personal Apple ID intermingled with my work computer.
- DaiPlusPlus 3y ago
- threeseed 3y agoApple had to lock down iOS in 17.4 because enough people were being tricked into entering their passcode by a thief who in turn would steal the device, access their passwords and drain their bank accounts. So not sure that allowing pairing between different accounts and relying on a passcode for security is going to be that secure.
- chrnola 3y agoConsider the setup process for the Apple TV. The TV shows a unique one-time-use QR code-like pattern that you can scan with the camera of an iOS device. Surely something like this would be sufficient for pairing a Vision Pro with a Mac. Also the security implications of encouraging people to add their personal Apple ID to devices they don’t own are, IMO, worse.
- DaiPlusPlus 3y agoI'm being more cynical and assuming it's probably to do with AirPlay screen-mirroring encryption and how tying everything to the same Apple ID account placates Hollywood's technophobic licensing execs.
- chrnola 3y agoThis is an incredible point that I had not considered.
- threeseed 3y agoExcept that you can have a different AppleID for your system versus content.
- kayodelycaon 3y agoI think it’s a lot simpler than that. If they require both devices are logged in to the same account, they don’t need to deal with authorization. You would not believe how much development time this saves.
- fastball 3y ago
- LeoPanthera 3y agoThis is a very very long rant against a decision that seems entirely sensible to me. I specifically would not want any corporate-issued hardware happily chatting away with my personally-owned hardware, and I would encourage others to similarly keep their home and work life separate. If having an iPad (or a Vision Pro) would be useful for work, then their employer should issue one.
- Retr0id 3y agoSure, but if someone wants to use a Vision Pro for both work and non-work, having two of them is a bit steep.
- Retr0id 3y agoTo elaborate, personally I draw the line at peripherals. I do try to use different devices for work and not-work, but I use the same monitor+keyboard+mouse+headphones (and desk, and chair...) for both. The Vision Pro is a weird middle ground of device and peripheral. When it's operating as a virtual display it's more of a peripheral, and it'd be nice if it acted more like one.
- threeseed 3y agoThere are plenty of VNC clients for Vision Pro. Seems easier to just use those if all you need is a virtual display.
- Retr0id 3y agoIs the experience any good? I've used VNC many times, and even over direct wired connections I'd describe it as "not great".
- pests 3y agoThat just seems reasonable. Those items are the interface with you, the human operator. Of course you'd want those to be of your preference. I agree. Let work stuff be computed on work devices and I'll do my stuff on my own things. Still want the interface to be consistent and comfortable.
- Craig_Rodriguez 3y ago[dead]
- whatever1 3y agoThe fact that you cannot connect this to an HDMI device will be the death for this. Now they are hostages of Netflix, YouTube or any content owner. Had they have HDMI in, we would be able to just use a Roku stick to project 4k hdr Netflix content, or straight up project an 8k resolution Mac desktop.
- behnamoh 3y ago> Now they are hostages of Netflix, YouTube or any content owner. Apple owns Apple TV, Apple Music, and probably some secret service they're cooking specific to 3D cinema. I think they're fine.
- Aurornis 3y ago> The fact that you cannot connect this to an HDMI device will be the death for this. If people wanted a headset for HDMI content, they wouldn’t be spending thousands on a Vision Pro. This feels like a case of “it doesn’t match my requirements and therefore nobody else should want it either”. Vision Pro just isn’t for you.
- rubatuga 3y agoI'm also annoyed that using an Apple Watch requires signing into an iCloud account. I stopped using iCloud a long time ago (currently self-hosting everything). Garmin smartwatches don't need a persistent login, which is why I purchased it. I think I will stick to Garmin watches going into the future.
- parentheses 3y agoApple uses AppleID to authenticate globally. If the experience degrades without one OR there is too much effort to support this, I’d be happy with Apple making this call. I feel it’s very validation seeking to rail on a company for not supporting the most “privacy focused” use cases. If you want an uncommon use case to be supported, don’t expect a profit-motivated company to do this. It’s just not in their interest. Furthermore, I use these capabilities to improve my life. So, I personally don’t want Apple to be compelled to invest in an experience that breaks from the Apple-y way. (Not a fan boy. Maybe I need to accept that I may be becoming one.)
- DaiPlusPlus 3y ago> Not a fan boy. Maybe I need to accept that I may be becoming one. Exhibit A: > So, I personally don’t want Apple to be compelled to invest in an experience that breaks from the Apple-y way. I'd say so.
- 627467 3y ago> They employ a distinct brand of gaslighting and blaming-the-user that I have come to associate solely with them. > Curiously this limitation wasn’t enough to make me return the device, despite it being part of my justification for it. Why write such long winded post after considering the above quotes? In the end non of the considerations around work/personal apple id, MDM, etc matters when decisions are made purely on some brand persuasion. That's why Apple doesn't care
- chrnola 3y agoFor the record, I did not return my (4x cheaper) iPad. I didn’t ever buy a Vision Pro. Because of the Apple ID issue. I’m trying to convince Apple that they should care because they lost a sale.
- 627467 3y agoI do not recall any example of Apple overtly listening to customers unless pressed by class action. That's the irony of this feedback post. Apple is just not an org that takes direct customer feedback (like you've noticed from their "you're holding it wrong" debacle). Also, they've probably done the maths and knowing their "loyal" customer base people would be more than happy to pay for multiple redundant devices just to have them seamlessly work together. They are in business of selling premium devices to people who have low sensitivity to price and cost
- Williams77 3y ago[dead]
- bouke 3y agoMulti-user support would be very welcome on a device selling for 3500 USD. I find it rather user-hostile that iPads don’t have this option either, but even their flagship device? Come on.
- justina20 3y ago[dead]