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Miguel de Icaza shadowbanned from X for posting about Gaza

103 points by cornercasechase 3y ago

bluefishinit 3y ago
So much for “free speech”. Ever since Musk met with Netanyahu, X has been heavily censoring pro-Palestine content.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  How come he’s being called antisemite then. Or like being blamed for not supplying but also supplying starlink to Russian territory
  - clipsy 3y ago
    > Or like being blamed for not supplying but also supplying starlink to Russian territory Gosh, I wonder if there was some other difference that people were concerned about /s
  - bluefishinit 3y ago
    Antisemitism and Zionism aren’t mutually exclusive. Zionism != Judaism.
  - candiodari 3y ago
    It's really quite simple, he endorsed a post that blamed NON-Israeli Jews for being attacked outside of Israel due to Gaza. Specifically this one: https://twitter.com/breakingbaht/status/1724892505647296620 https://twitter.com/breakingbaht/status/1724892505647296620 This is racist, first because it's close to justifying violence against Jews, because of their religion, because of something a country did. Again, nobody would doubt "muslims deserve to be attacked because of what is happening in Sudan" is extremely racist. This is close to that. And let's please make one thing clear: physically attacking zionists, or justifying that, because of Gaza is also extremely racist. Secondly it's accusing "those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country" (ie. muslim immigrants) of being violent racists. What DOESN'T matter is whether either of these are true behaviors seen in those groups. You're a racist if you say that either attacking Jews because of Israel is valid (obviously) and you're a racist if you say that muslim immigrants (even veiled) are antisemitic as a group. Saying SPECIFIC Jews are going too far, or SPECIFIC muslim immigrants are a serious piece of racist asshole is not racist.
    - khokhol 3y ago
      A post that blamed NON-Israeli Jews for being attacked outside of Israel due to Gaza. It was definitely a piece of obnoxious drivel, the post. But that's not what it said.
- za3faran 3y ago
  We see accounts on twitter openly call for genocide on the Palestinians, to turn Gaza into a parking lot, posts comparing the Palestinians to rats (classic genocide 101, and sadly ironic given what happened in WWII germany), and utter dehumanization of Palestinians and Muslims in general, yet the accounts are not banned nor reprimanded. That meeting was extremely suspicious to say the least, and no doubt what we're seeing is a result of it.
  - quotz 3y ago
    My opinion is that he got seriously blackmailed. Musk meets Netayahu 27 Nov, and on 12 December its announced that SpaceX loses appeal for 1B in funding from the FCC regarding Starlink. There's probably lots of variables for losing the appeal, but considering how far the isreali lobby goes I really wont be surprised that they had influence, considering he was making Starlink available in Gaza for free. And this is just the surface we can see, I wonder how far the rabbit hole goes, hes probably in the top 5 most famous people in the world, whatever he says online will reverberate far, hence the israeli top priority being to change his mind carrot or stick. In addition, he admitted to having a mild form of Aspergers, so I guess social pressure and persuasion definitely impacts him differently than neurotypical folks.
    - za3faran 3y ago
      Exactly. God knows what happened behind closed doors. I hope the truth emerges one day.
      - francoispon 3y ago
        since when we do politics on HN ? those discussions are not going to resolve anything, maybe we should stick to you talk about hacker news ?
        hypeit 3y ago
        Politics came to the tech community in the form of Israeli manipulation of tech platforms and militant, blacklisting Zionism from the VCs. Israel caused this.
bratsche 3y ago
“Free speech absolutist”. What a joke.
- elforce002 3y ago
  I'm curious about this premise. Which platform allows free speech with little to no moderation? Could Mastodon be that platform?
  - bluefishinit 3y ago
    Musk claimed that platform was X. As we see here, it was just hot air.
  - stOneskull 3y ago
    gab
  - ffsm8 3y ago
    4chan remains the most notorious and imo best forum since it's creation for uncensored ... Well... maybe not discussions, but definitely shitposting
  - simonblack 3y ago
    No such animal.
- houseatrielah 3y ago
  You blame Elon when he's bowing to Jewish pressure.
TheAceOfHearts 3y ago
I saw this earlier today, it was really weird. A pg post showed up in my timeline, so I opened his reply and it said the post to which pg was replying was unavailable [0]. Then I went back and copied the name of the person to which pg replied, and opened his page in order to see both posts [1]. Not really sure about the details, but the lack of transparency around issues of this nature is what bothers me the most. At some point Elon claimed he would be more transparent about accounts receiving limited reach and other such deboosting, but so far it appears to remain pretty opaque. [0] https://i.imgur.com/mBiBU8W.png https://i.imgur.com/mBiBU8W.png [1] https://i.imgur.com/2WQ7zFv.png https://i.imgur.com/2WQ7zFv.png
- captn3m0 3y ago
  Didn’t Twitter supposedly publish the algorithm to let users re-create their feed and notice if Twitter is doing something shady?
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    No; I can see how one might get that impression from how they advertised that, but no, that's not what they did at all.
BryanLegend 3y ago
Browsing thru his feed, it does seem pretty negative. Search probably just ranks in part by a sentiment analysis (positivity) score and there's probably a minimum cutoff.
- bluefishinit 3y ago
  It’s censored. Click on any reply to this tweet to see that it’s hidden.
senectus1 3y ago
there is essentially no way to hold X accountable for this behavior. So, boycott it. just uninstall it and pretend it doesn't exist.
kazinator 3y ago
Staying on X and complaining about it is getting old.
Despegar 3y ago
I would guess this policy is the result of ADL, other pro-Israel lobbying groups, and Israel itself, pressuring social media groups as part of their hasbara operation. And perhaps Elon Musk is a Zionist himself (he's certainly friends with many VCs who are). Miguel de Icaza is a random person to censor. I'm sure it's just a crude, automated policy that goes off the content of the tweet and his account having a large follower count.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > And perhaps Elon Musk is a Zionist himself Not so long ago all the accusation was the he was anti-Semitic. The cognitive dissonance is loud.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - skhunted 3y ago
    People change, right? Not so long ago he was pro Ukraine in the conflict with Russia and looked upon favorably by Ukrainians. Now he is clearly pro Russia and no longer looked upon favorably by Ukrainians.
  - hypeit 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - kurthr 3y ago
    And maybe he is, but recognizes a fellow fascist when he meets them? https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-10-03/ty-article-opinion/.premium/israeli-neo-fascism-threatens-israelis-and-palestinians-alike/0000018a-f6a1-d12f-afbf-f7f5e33e0000 https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-10-03/ty-article-opinio... Seriously, there are all sorts of political and economic reasons to follow along with Israel against Arabs even if you hate Jews. https://free.messianicbible.com/feature/end-time-prophecy-why-is-the-third-temple-so-important/ https://free.messianicbible.com/feature/end-time-prophecy-wh... If you think the current speaker for the House of Representatives doesn't believe this, I'd suggest further reading.
drivingmenuts 3y ago
Freedom of Speech, but only if Elon feels like it today.
quotz 3y ago
Why is this flagged? @dang ?
quotz 3y ago
Why is this flagged @dang?

bluefishinit 3y ago

So much for “free speech”. Ever since Musk met with Netanyahu, X has been heavily censoring pro-Palestine content.

dzhiurgis 3y ago
How come he’s being called antisemite then. Or like being blamed for not supplying but also supplying starlink to Russian territory
- clipsy 3y ago
  > Or like being blamed for not supplying but also supplying starlink to Russian territory Gosh, I wonder if there was some other difference that people were concerned about /s
- bluefishinit 3y ago
  Antisemitism and Zionism aren’t mutually exclusive. Zionism != Judaism.
- candiodari 3y ago
  It's really quite simple, he endorsed a post that blamed NON-Israeli Jews for being attacked outside of Israel due to Gaza. Specifically this one: https://twitter.com/breakingbaht/status/1724892505647296620 https://twitter.com/breakingbaht/status/1724892505647296620 This is racist, first because it's close to justifying violence against Jews, because of their religion, because of something a country did. Again, nobody would doubt "muslims deserve to be attacked because of what is happening in Sudan" is extremely racist. This is close to that. And let's please make one thing clear: physically attacking zionists, or justifying that, because of Gaza is also extremely racist. Secondly it's accusing "those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country" (ie. muslim immigrants) of being violent racists. What DOESN'T matter is whether either of these are true behaviors seen in those groups. You're a racist if you say that either attacking Jews because of Israel is valid (obviously) and you're a racist if you say that muslim immigrants (even veiled) are antisemitic as a group. Saying SPECIFIC Jews are going too far, or SPECIFIC muslim immigrants are a serious piece of racist asshole is not racist.
  - khokhol 3y ago
    A post that blamed NON-Israeli Jews for being attacked outside of Israel due to Gaza. It was definitely a piece of obnoxious drivel, the post. But that's not what it said.
za3faran 3y ago
We see accounts on twitter openly call for genocide on the Palestinians, to turn Gaza into a parking lot, posts comparing the Palestinians to rats (classic genocide 101, and sadly ironic given what happened in WWII germany), and utter dehumanization of Palestinians and Muslims in general, yet the accounts are not banned nor reprimanded. That meeting was extremely suspicious to say the least, and no doubt what we're seeing is a result of it.
- quotz 3y ago
  My opinion is that he got seriously blackmailed. Musk meets Netayahu 27 Nov, and on 12 December its announced that SpaceX loses appeal for 1B in funding from the FCC regarding Starlink. There's probably lots of variables for losing the appeal, but considering how far the isreali lobby goes I really wont be surprised that they had influence, considering he was making Starlink available in Gaza for free. And this is just the surface we can see, I wonder how far the rabbit hole goes, hes probably in the top 5 most famous people in the world, whatever he says online will reverberate far, hence the israeli top priority being to change his mind carrot or stick. In addition, he admitted to having a mild form of Aspergers, so I guess social pressure and persuasion definitely impacts him differently than neurotypical folks.
  - za3faran 3y ago
    Exactly. God knows what happened behind closed doors. I hope the truth emerges one day.
    - francoispon 3y ago
      since when we do politics on HN ? those discussions are not going to resolve anything, maybe we should stick to you talk about hacker news ?
      - hypeit 3y ago
        Politics came to the tech community in the form of Israeli manipulation of tech platforms and militant, blacklisting Zionism from the VCs. Israel caused this.

bratsche 3y ago

“Free speech absolutist”. What a joke.

elforce002 3y ago
I'm curious about this premise. Which platform allows free speech with little to no moderation? Could Mastodon be that platform?
- bluefishinit 3y ago
  Musk claimed that platform was X. As we see here, it was just hot air.
- stOneskull 3y ago
  gab
- ffsm8 3y ago
  4chan remains the most notorious and imo best forum since it's creation for uncensored ... Well... maybe not discussions, but definitely shitposting
- simonblack 3y ago
  No such animal.
houseatrielah 3y ago
You blame Elon when he's bowing to Jewish pressure.

TheAceOfHearts 3y ago

I saw this earlier today, it was really weird. A pg post showed up in my timeline, so I opened his reply and it said the post to which pg was replying was unavailable [0]. Then I went back and copied the name of the person to which pg replied, and opened his page in order to see both posts [1]. Not really sure about the details, but the lack of transparency around issues of this nature is what bothers me the most. At some point Elon claimed he would be more transparent about accounts receiving limited reach and other such deboosting, but so far it appears to remain pretty opaque. [0] https://i.imgur.com/mBiBU8W.png https://i.imgur.com/mBiBU8W.png [1] https://i.imgur.com/2WQ7zFv.png https://i.imgur.com/2WQ7zFv.png

captn3m0 3y ago
Didn’t Twitter supposedly publish the algorithm to let users re-create their feed and notice if Twitter is doing something shady?
- rsynnott 3y ago
  No; I can see how one might get that impression from how they advertised that, but no, that's not what they did at all.

BryanLegend 3y ago

Browsing thru his feed, it does seem pretty negative. Search probably just ranks in part by a sentiment analysis (positivity) score and there's probably a minimum cutoff.

bluefishinit 3y ago
It’s censored. Click on any reply to this tweet to see that it’s hidden.

senectus1 3y ago

there is essentially no way to hold X accountable for this behavior. So, boycott it. just uninstall it and pretend it doesn't exist.

kazinator 3y ago

Staying on X and complaining about it is getting old.

Despegar 3y ago

I would guess this policy is the result of ADL, other pro-Israel lobbying groups, and Israel itself, pressuring social media groups as part of their hasbara operation. And perhaps Elon Musk is a Zionist himself (he's certainly friends with many VCs who are). Miguel de Icaza is a random person to censor. I'm sure it's just a crude, automated policy that goes off the content of the tweet and his account having a large follower count.

andsoitis 3y ago
> And perhaps Elon Musk is a Zionist himself Not so long ago all the accusation was the he was anti-Semitic. The cognitive dissonance is loud.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- skhunted 3y ago
  People change, right? Not so long ago he was pro Ukraine in the conflict with Russia and looked upon favorably by Ukrainians. Now he is clearly pro Russia and no longer looked upon favorably by Ukrainians.
- hypeit 3y ago
  [flagged]
- kurthr 3y ago
  And maybe he is, but recognizes a fellow fascist when he meets them? https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-10-03/ty-article-opinion/.premium/israeli-neo-fascism-threatens-israelis-and-palestinians-alike/0000018a-f6a1-d12f-afbf-f7f5e33e0000 https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-10-03/ty-article-opinio... Seriously, there are all sorts of political and economic reasons to follow along with Israel against Arabs even if you hate Jews. https://free.messianicbible.com/feature/end-time-prophecy-why-is-the-third-temple-so-important/ https://free.messianicbible.com/feature/end-time-prophecy-wh... If you think the current speaker for the House of Representatives doesn't believe this, I'd suggest further reading.

drivingmenuts 3y ago

Freedom of Speech, but only if Elon feels like it today.

quotz 3y ago

Why is this flagged? @dang ?

quotz 3y ago

Why is this flagged @dang?