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I thought it was determined to be a glove finger knitting apparatus.
by mildchalupa 3y ago
I thought it was determined to be a glove finger knitting apparatus.
- busssard 3y agothought so too
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- Fluorescence 3y agoHmm, I'm not convinced. The only geometry the knitting demonstrations justify is "pins around hole". I don't see an argument for the dodecahedron shape or the cast metal. A vastly cheaper wooden jig with nails would service just as well and offer much better ergonomic possibilities, like a handle. The knitting with the finger growing inside the dodec looks unhelpful and implausible.
- declan_roberts 3y agoThe glove is inverted, the fingers are inserted into the holes separately and sewn into the glove using the pins. When you’re done, you take it off and unfold it.
- JoeAltmaier 3y agoRomans had mass production facilities for some things. Possibly gloves. So a durable permanent jig is not an unreasonable suggestion.
- bee_rider 3y agoI think the objection is not about unnecessary durability, but unnecessary complexity; you don’t need so many faces to make a glove.
- marcosdumay 3y agoIf the thing was for making gloves, the faces would be for different finger sizes.
- lproven 3y agoThe holes in them are of different sizes.
- ertian 3y agoUnnecessary complexity & expense, and if it were part of a mass production process you'd expect to find them clustered in production centers or something. These are found scattered randomly and individually in graves and border forts.
- eigenket 3y ago> The knitting with the finger growing inside the dodec looks unhelpful and implausible There are also examples without the big holes in, which would make knitting pretty much impossible.
- lostlogin 3y ago> There are also examples without the big holes in, which would make knitting pretty much impossible. Gloves for children?
- eigenket 3y agoSee the icosahedron here for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#/media/File%3A2018_Rheinisches_Landesmuseum_Bonn%2C_Dodekaeder_%26_Ikosaeder.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#/media/File...
- Grimblewald 3y agoIt was suggested and some old bird even showed it was possible to do it, but it was not a complete explanation, especially given some variations in designs that made glove making hard. Another plausible option is it served as a calendar of sorts. Equally mundane explaining the broad distribution.
- thih9 3y agoRelated, video showing its use in knitting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76AvV601yJ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76AvV601yJ0
- TSiege 3y agoI love this idea! Looks like it works brilliantly too
- __MatrixMan__ 3y agoEven if that's the case, some mystery remains, discussed at this point: https://youtu.be/76AvV601yJ0?si=JQi4K8w9ZvphZ1wV&t=460 https://youtu.be/76AvV601yJ0?si=JQi4K8w9ZvphZ1wV&t=460 Presumably you'd find similar jigs for finishing the glove nearby.
- leptons 3y agoYou also wouldn't need such a complex object for that. These things were extremely difficult to cast in the years that they were made. It would be far easier to carve a similar device out of wood as a glove-making jig.
- creole_wither 3y agoI don't think knitting existed during the time of Roman Britain.
- declan_roberts 3y agoI love seeing all of the nerdy (and wrong) explanations of it, when in reality somebody’s grandma took a look at it and said “oh that’s for sewing gloves”. No mention in the article for this purpose, but sometimes it takes a bit for grandma info to reach the researchers.
- meindnoch 3y agoThat's a heartwarming story. Unfortunately it's bullshit.
- mkehrt 3y agoRoman dodecahedra predate knitting by almost a thousand years. The earliest known knitting was from the 11th century (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knitting#History_and_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knitting#History_and_culture), while the earliest dodecahedra are from the 2nd century (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#History)
- scythe 3y agoMeanwhile, elsewhere on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_knitting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_knitting >Earlier pieces having a knitted or crocheted appearance have been shown to be made with other techniques, such as Nålebinding, a technique of making fabric by creating multiple loops with a single needle and thread, much like sewing.[4] Some artefacts have a structure so similar to knitting, for example, 3rd-5th century CE Romano-Egyptian toe-socks, that it is thought the "Coptic stitch" of nalbinding is the forerunner to knitting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nålebinding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nålebinding The lack of signs of wear is a bigger problem for this hypothesis IMHO
- NHQ 3y agoTo doubt that knitting existed in Roman Times is preposterous. Thats like saying they could not weave baskets. Instead your incredible hypothesis lends credence to recent studies by internet sleuths that indicate history as we are taught may have an extra 1000 years added simply because dates have been mistranslated or misconstrued to read a 1 (one) where there is indeed an I or J symbol, denoting years since the Christ; IOW that that 1999 is actually J999.
- anthk 3y agoKnitting is from the Neolithic. The Chinese were already knitting silk about 3000 years ago.