6 ms·

I sure hope all the HN commentators confidently predicting this would never happen because of his large donations to the democrats see this.

TulliusCicero 3y ago
90% of them will never willingly admit they were wrong.
- xray2 3y ago
  I don’t remember a single person even claiming that. HN delusion is real.
  - EricDeb 3y ago
    I believe there is quite a few in the comments section here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33908577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33908577
  - jcranmer 3y ago
    I've definitely seen several people claim it on HN. Almost invariably, such comments were downvoted into oblivion though, or had replies basically saying something along the lines of "what crack are you smoking?" Some specific links to comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33909026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33909026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33908850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33908850
    - starcraft2wol 3y ago
      So our friend saeranv is actually just parroting the consensus.
  - udev4096 3y ago
    I agree on this
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - arduanika 3y ago
    There is literally a top-level reply on this very submission still saying: > I will still be surprised if he spends a single day in prison though. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38122135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38122135 and several similar comments scattered throughout, that Dems will pardon him. So yes, delusion on HN is quite real. And crypto news attracts a deeply paranoid, cynical sort of mind, who have seen a glimpse of some big conspiracy and can't let go of it.
  - StressedDev 3y ago
    I have seen a some posters on HN and a lot of posters else where trying to use this case to bash the Democratic party. It very annoying because they never provide evidence to back up their claims. You also see a lot of people bashing Sam Bankman-Fried’s parents or accusing them of committing crimes without providing any evidence.
- xNeil 3y ago
  To be fair, 90% of all people won't admit they were wrong. Sidenote, I think HN will be wrong on Elon Musk and X as well over the long term (personal opinion of course). But the way the discourse around X has changed on HN is incredible. When Parag Agarwal was made CEO, everyone on HN complained about the platform and how a subscription model was the way to go. Now that Elon Musk has instated a subscription model, (seemingly) all on HN agrees he's running the company into the ground. Seems to be happening a lot more often over the past 4 or 5 years.
  - CPLX 3y ago
    I mean, he did a couple other things besides try to launch a subscription model.
  - pcc 3y ago
    Wondering if its perhaps two different subsets of people, with differing opinions that haven’t so much shifted, as that primarily just one’s been highly motivated to engage at a time? (In the same way that say surveys might draw disproportionately more engagement from those that feel extremely dissatisfied) Or do you feel more that its a wholesale shift?
MattGaiser 3y ago
The goalposts will change to his imminent pardon.
- junofan 3y ago
  His campaign finance trial is March 11, sentencing March 28. I think it’s reasonable to speculate on whether he’ll plead guilty in exchange for clemency at sentencing. Who knows. I don’t think anybody reasonable has ever believed a pardon is on the table for the largest fraud ever.
EricDeb 3y ago
They're like 300 conspiracies beyond that at this point.
elcritch 3y ago
Eh, he must be pretty much broke now so why would politicians from either party care about him anymore? He made his donations and they looked the other way on regulating crypto.
talldatethrow 3y ago
I don't care either way, but I would guess most people expect that the sentencing to be very light if you have friends in important places.. not that you're just totally let off on all charges.
kortilla 3y ago
Regardless of whether or not corruption is the case, it only has forward guarantees if there is a hint of blackmail involved. Donating a bunch of money to a group gives you no power over that group unless they think there is more on the table. When you’re about to get arrested they will cut all ties immediately unless there is an actual obligation to support you.
alsetmusic 3y ago
He donated to both sides through another FTX exec. What is your real message? (I’m a leftist, not a liberal apologist).
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]
StressedDev 3y ago
Thank you for bringing this up. I cannot believe how many people tried to use this case as a tool to smear a political party.
pityJuke 3y ago
If you like HN commentators being wrong, you’ll love this initial thread on Alameda being insolvent [0]. I post only in jest, as hindsight makes much of this hilarious. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33464494 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33464494

TulliusCicero 3y ago

90% of them will never willingly admit they were wrong.

xray2 3y ago
I don’t remember a single person even claiming that. HN delusion is real.
- EricDeb 3y ago
  I believe there is quite a few in the comments section here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33908577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33908577
- jcranmer 3y ago
  I've definitely seen several people claim it on HN. Almost invariably, such comments were downvoted into oblivion though, or had replies basically saying something along the lines of "what crack are you smoking?" Some specific links to comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33909026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33909026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33908850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33908850
  - starcraft2wol 3y ago
    So our friend saeranv is actually just parroting the consensus.
- udev4096 3y ago
  I agree on this
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- arduanika 3y ago
  There is literally a top-level reply on this very submission still saying: > I will still be surprised if he spends a single day in prison though. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38122135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38122135 and several similar comments scattered throughout, that Dems will pardon him. So yes, delusion on HN is quite real. And crypto news attracts a deeply paranoid, cynical sort of mind, who have seen a glimpse of some big conspiracy and can't let go of it.
- StressedDev 3y ago
  I have seen a some posters on HN and a lot of posters else where trying to use this case to bash the Democratic party. It very annoying because they never provide evidence to back up their claims. You also see a lot of people bashing Sam Bankman-Fried’s parents or accusing them of committing crimes without providing any evidence.
xNeil 3y ago
To be fair, 90% of all people won't admit they were wrong. Sidenote, I think HN will be wrong on Elon Musk and X as well over the long term (personal opinion of course). But the way the discourse around X has changed on HN is incredible. When Parag Agarwal was made CEO, everyone on HN complained about the platform and how a subscription model was the way to go. Now that Elon Musk has instated a subscription model, (seemingly) all on HN agrees he's running the company into the ground. Seems to be happening a lot more often over the past 4 or 5 years.
- CPLX 3y ago
  I mean, he did a couple other things besides try to launch a subscription model.
- pcc 3y ago
  Wondering if its perhaps two different subsets of people, with differing opinions that haven’t so much shifted, as that primarily just one’s been highly motivated to engage at a time? (In the same way that say surveys might draw disproportionately more engagement from those that feel extremely dissatisfied) Or do you feel more that its a wholesale shift?

MattGaiser 3y ago

The goalposts will change to his imminent pardon.

junofan 3y ago
His campaign finance trial is March 11, sentencing March 28. I think it’s reasonable to speculate on whether he’ll plead guilty in exchange for clemency at sentencing. Who knows. I don’t think anybody reasonable has ever believed a pardon is on the table for the largest fraud ever.

EricDeb 3y ago

They're like 300 conspiracies beyond that at this point.

elcritch 3y ago

Eh, he must be pretty much broke now so why would politicians from either party care about him anymore? He made his donations and they looked the other way on regulating crypto.

talldatethrow 3y ago

I don't care either way, but I would guess most people expect that the sentencing to be very light if you have friends in important places.. not that you're just totally let off on all charges.

kortilla 3y ago

Regardless of whether or not corruption is the case, it only has forward guarantees if there is a hint of blackmail involved. Donating a bunch of money to a group gives you no power over that group unless they think there is more on the table. When you’re about to get arrested they will cut all ties immediately unless there is an actual obligation to support you.

alsetmusic 3y ago

He donated to both sides through another FTX exec. What is your real message? (I’m a leftist, not a liberal apologist).

deleted 3y ago

[deleted]

StressedDev 3y ago

Thank you for bringing this up. I cannot believe how many people tried to use this case as a tool to smear a political party.

pityJuke 3y ago

If you like HN commentators being wrong, you’ll love this initial thread on Alameda being insolvent [0]. I post only in jest, as hindsight makes much of this hilarious. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33464494 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33464494