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Care to share the best options? I'm interested.

by SteeCee 3y ago

pluc 3y ago
There's only one that isn't Chrome.
- pbhjpbhj 3y ago
  Links it is then :oP
  - barbazoo 3y ago
    you mean Lynx?
    - pbhjpbhj 3y ago
      No, links is (was?) ab updated branch of lynx that optionally does images, media loading, and some simple JavaScript. I haven't used it for quite a while, at least a decade.
  - pluc 3y ago
    Honestly, Firefox with all the "privacy" addons I have (NoScript, CookieMaster, uBlock, Decentraleyes, behind a PiHole), the experience I have on the web is probably closer to Lynx than it is to stock Chrome in that it's heavily content-focused.
baz00 3y ago
Firefox + uBlock Origin + Privacy Badger + not shit ISP.
- unethical_ban 3y ago
  Honestly, though they are hyped a bit much to the general public, I have almost all my traffic on endpoints routed to ProtonVPN. Better than nothing and fuck ATT. I split tunnel Fortnite, though.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > + not shit ISP I dearly wish I had an option for a non-shit ISP. But my only option is Comcast.
  - baz00 3y ago
    My sincerest commiserations.
  - SahAssar 3y ago
    Not-shit-isp can be helped with not-shit-vpn (like mullvad)
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      That doesn't make it a non-shit ISP, though. And, honestly, there isn't a commercial VPN provider that I trust at all. Most of them are extremely questionable. I'm certain some aren't, and perhaps Mullvad is one of those, but it's impossible for me to know one way or another so I avoid them all.
      - SahAssar 3y ago
        For privacy I trust mullvad more than my ISP and I think they have the track record to back it up. If your ISP is shit in other ways then a VPN does not help of course. All a VPN does is either move a bit of trust to the VPN or move your apparent IP to another ASN/location. The first of those can be helpful for dealing with some ISPs,
- attentive 3y ago
  get yourself DNSCrypt
LeoPanthera 3y ago
On KDE, “Falkon”. On GNOME, “Web”. On Macs, Safari. On all platforms, Firefox. Firefox is a little disppointing in that it’s still bundled with stuff you probably don’t want, but it’s far far less objectionable than Chrome, Edge, Brave.
- quietpain 3y ago
  On Macs, Safari Could you inform me how to get uBlock Origin working on Safari? Or any other adblocker that isn’t a joke?
  - tentacleuno 3y ago
    I'm fairly sure AdGuard works fine on Safari, though I have heard its performance is lacking -- shame, as Safari is a great little browser (despite my personal dislike for macOS).
  - haarolean 3y ago
    You might wanna take a look at Orion browser by Kagi. Built on WebKit like Safari, but not open-source (yet, as they say). The interesting part is that it supports addons from both Chrome and FF.
  - LeoPanthera 3y ago
    AdGuard for Safari is free and well respected. (And GPL3, if that floats your boat.) https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardForSafari https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardForSafari 1Blocker is also well respected, but not free. If uBlock Origin is a hard requirement, Firefox is available for the Mac.
Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
Non-Chromium: Firefox Chromium: Vivaldi
- SahAssar 3y ago
  Vivaldi is pretty much closed source, no?
  - Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
    It seems to be half and half. https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/ https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-sou...
subjectsigma 3y ago
Yeah I really don’t know what to use anymore: FF installs plugins without your consent. Brave installs software which can circumvent security controls without your consent. Safari has no plugins and is Mac/iOS-only. Chrome is designed to be as privacy invasive as humanly possible. I think Edge is right behind it and has the added insult of looking like a Fischer-Price toy. Arc, Vivaldi, Orion, and Opera are irrelevant jokes. I wouldn’t trust Pale Moon, Waterfox, Ungoogled Chromuim, etc. because I still remember Iron Browser. I can’t use Google Meet on Lynx. Even if I could use Google Meet on Surf, I wouldn’t want to because the authors are Neo-Nazi trash. And Ladybird isn’t anywhere near done yet! What browser am I supposed to use??
- Apocryphon 3y ago
  Orion's just getting started. I trust in Kagi, for now. To cavil about "relevance" means you dismiss grassroots alternatives before they even have a chance. Safari has plug-ins, Apple just calls them extensions.
  - subjectsigma 3y ago
    I suppose that’s a fair point about Orion. I know Safari has plug-ins, however the ones I use are not available for Safari and I would think most popular extensions aren’t.
- ozyschmozy 3y ago
  > FF installs plugins without your consent. Brave installs software which can circumvent security Controls without your consent. I've never heard about this, can you elaborate? Are you talking about the Pocket stuff that comes built-in?
  - subjectsigma 3y ago
    https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/retrospective-looking-glass/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/retrospective-l...

Care to share the best options? I'm interested.

pluc 3y ago

There's only one that isn't Chrome.

pbhjpbhj 3y ago
Links it is then :oP
- barbazoo 3y ago
  you mean Lynx?
  - pbhjpbhj 3y ago
    No, links is (was?) ab updated branch of lynx that optionally does images, media loading, and some simple JavaScript. I haven't used it for quite a while, at least a decade.
- pluc 3y ago
  Honestly, Firefox with all the "privacy" addons I have (NoScript, CookieMaster, uBlock, Decentraleyes, behind a PiHole), the experience I have on the web is probably closer to Lynx than it is to stock Chrome in that it's heavily content-focused.

baz00 3y ago

Firefox + uBlock Origin + Privacy Badger + not shit ISP.

unethical_ban 3y ago
Honestly, though they are hyped a bit much to the general public, I have almost all my traffic on endpoints routed to ProtonVPN. Better than nothing and fuck ATT. I split tunnel Fortnite, though.
JohnFen 3y ago
> + not shit ISP I dearly wish I had an option for a non-shit ISP. But my only option is Comcast.
- baz00 3y ago
  My sincerest commiserations.
- SahAssar 3y ago
  Not-shit-isp can be helped with not-shit-vpn (like mullvad)
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    That doesn't make it a non-shit ISP, though. And, honestly, there isn't a commercial VPN provider that I trust at all. Most of them are extremely questionable. I'm certain some aren't, and perhaps Mullvad is one of those, but it's impossible for me to know one way or another so I avoid them all.
    - SahAssar 3y ago
      For privacy I trust mullvad more than my ISP and I think they have the track record to back it up. If your ISP is shit in other ways then a VPN does not help of course. All a VPN does is either move a bit of trust to the VPN or move your apparent IP to another ASN/location. The first of those can be helpful for dealing with some ISPs,
attentive 3y ago
get yourself DNSCrypt

LeoPanthera 3y ago

On KDE, “Falkon”. On GNOME, “Web”. On Macs, Safari. On all platforms, Firefox. Firefox is a little disppointing in that it’s still bundled with stuff you probably don’t want, but it’s far far less objectionable than Chrome, Edge, Brave.

quietpain 3y ago
On Macs, Safari Could you inform me how to get uBlock Origin working on Safari? Or any other adblocker that isn’t a joke?
- tentacleuno 3y ago
  I'm fairly sure AdGuard works fine on Safari, though I have heard its performance is lacking -- shame, as Safari is a great little browser (despite my personal dislike for macOS).
- haarolean 3y ago
  You might wanna take a look at Orion browser by Kagi. Built on WebKit like Safari, but not open-source (yet, as they say). The interesting part is that it supports addons from both Chrome and FF.
- LeoPanthera 3y ago
  AdGuard for Safari is free and well respected. (And GPL3, if that floats your boat.) https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardForSafari https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardForSafari 1Blocker is also well respected, but not free. If uBlock Origin is a hard requirement, Firefox is available for the Mac.

Isthatablackgsd 3y ago

Non-Chromium: Firefox Chromium: Vivaldi

SahAssar 3y ago
Vivaldi is pretty much closed source, no?
- Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
  It seems to be half and half. https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/ https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-sou...

subjectsigma 3y ago

Yeah I really don’t know what to use anymore: FF installs plugins without your consent. Brave installs software which can circumvent security controls without your consent. Safari has no plugins and is Mac/iOS-only. Chrome is designed to be as privacy invasive as humanly possible. I think Edge is right behind it and has the added insult of looking like a Fischer-Price toy. Arc, Vivaldi, Orion, and Opera are irrelevant jokes. I wouldn’t trust Pale Moon, Waterfox, Ungoogled Chromuim, etc. because I still remember Iron Browser. I can’t use Google Meet on Lynx. Even if I could use Google Meet on Surf, I wouldn’t want to because the authors are Neo-Nazi trash. And Ladybird isn’t anywhere near done yet! What browser am I supposed to use??

Apocryphon 3y ago
Orion's just getting started. I trust in Kagi, for now. To cavil about "relevance" means you dismiss grassroots alternatives before they even have a chance. Safari has plug-ins, Apple just calls them extensions.
- subjectsigma 3y ago
  I suppose that’s a fair point about Orion. I know Safari has plug-ins, however the ones I use are not available for Safari and I would think most popular extensions aren’t.
ozyschmozy 3y ago
> FF installs plugins without your consent. Brave installs software which can circumvent security Controls without your consent. I've never heard about this, can you elaborate? Are you talking about the Pocket stuff that comes built-in?
- subjectsigma 3y ago
  https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/retrospective-looking-glass/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/retrospective-l...