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Toronto has had bird-friendly design guidelines since 2007. Surprised Chicago still hasn’t implemented a solution. https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/planni

Toronto has had bird-friendly design guidelines since 2007. Surprised Chicago still hasn’t implemented a solution. https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/planning-development/official-plan-guidelines/design-guidelines/bird-friendly-guidelines/ https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/planning-development/...

nortirn 3y ago
Chicago does have an ordinance requiring bird-friendly designs in new construction or renovations, but it was passed in 2022 and the convention center hasn't had window work done since then.
kasey_junk 3y ago
Both Chicago and Illinois have bird friendly building ordinances but the building in question was built in 1960 long before they existed. It’s also massive so mitigations will take a long time to be applied.
- hh3k0 3y ago
  > It’s also massive so mitigations will take a long time to be applied. Surely it cannot be too hard to slap 2 or 3 anti-collision decals on every window from the outside?
  - kasey_junk 3y ago
    There are stickers on the building. It is a nearly 600000 square foot building and the exterior is all windows. 1000 birds don’t hit it _every day_ this was an exceptional even caused by specific conditions. The facility is actively trying new lighting solutions to mitigate bird strikes as that’s the main issue.
    - ethagknight 3y ago
      A crew of window cleaners could hit it in under a week
      - kasey_junk 3y ago
        It has stickers
        ethagknight 3y ago
        Right... swing down and apply stickers. Yes I read the article.
      - i_love_cookies 3y ago
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    - harywilke 3y ago
      To give a sense of the scale of this building: Part of the convention center empty: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8535338,-87.6124521,3a,75y,62.06h,109.61t/data=!3m11!1e1!3m9!1sAF1QipMg6rGSR7P4oRzhFaRoaYANffM_FlHVhfaOZnWs!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMg6rGSR7P4oRzhFaRoaYANffM_FlHVhfaOZnWs%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya26.203836-ro-0-fo100!7i7680!8i3840!9m2!1b1!2i28?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8535338,-87.6124521,3a,75y,6... From what used to be Meigs Field. You have to back up quite a bit to see the entire building. It's very large, and right on the lake. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8538295,-87.6090441,3a,75y,283.22h,90t/data=!3m11!1e1!3m9!1sAF1QipOjZiPpYfoBQdIfKFhgox2McbxSRqVesm74sG1U!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOjZiPpYfoBQdIfKFhgox2McbxSRqVesm74sG1U%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya287.8858-ro-0-fo100!7i10240!8i5120!9m2!1b1!2i28?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8538295,-87.6090441,3a,75y,2...
  - perilunar 3y ago
    You need more than 2 or 3 decals per window — there should be 2" or less of vertical space and 4" or less of horizontal space between markings (the 2" x 4" rule).
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xyst 3y ago
Wow only a few cities have replicated this. Is the associated cost of designing bird friendly buildings cost prohibitive? If so, need regulation to enforce this at state/local levels.
- yoyopa 3y ago
  it's not cost prohibitive if you pay for it. but it's more expensive by a lot
Dragonai 3y ago
This is SUCH an awesome and wonderful document. Thanks for sharing!

nortirn 3y ago

Chicago does have an ordinance requiring bird-friendly designs in new construction or renovations, but it was passed in 2022 and the convention center hasn't had window work done since then.

kasey_junk 3y ago

Both Chicago and Illinois have bird friendly building ordinances but the building in question was built in 1960 long before they existed. It’s also massive so mitigations will take a long time to be applied.

hh3k0 3y ago
> It’s also massive so mitigations will take a long time to be applied. Surely it cannot be too hard to slap 2 or 3 anti-collision decals on every window from the outside?
- kasey_junk 3y ago
  There are stickers on the building. It is a nearly 600000 square foot building and the exterior is all windows. 1000 birds don’t hit it _every day_ this was an exceptional even caused by specific conditions. The facility is actively trying new lighting solutions to mitigate bird strikes as that’s the main issue.
  - ethagknight 3y ago
    A crew of window cleaners could hit it in under a week
    - kasey_junk 3y ago
      It has stickers
      - ethagknight 3y ago
        Right... swing down and apply stickers. Yes I read the article.
    - i_love_cookies 3y ago
      [dead]
  - harywilke 3y ago
    To give a sense of the scale of this building: Part of the convention center empty: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8535338,-87.6124521,3a,75y,62.06h,109.61t/data=!3m11!1e1!3m9!1sAF1QipMg6rGSR7P4oRzhFaRoaYANffM_FlHVhfaOZnWs!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMg6rGSR7P4oRzhFaRoaYANffM_FlHVhfaOZnWs%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya26.203836-ro-0-fo100!7i7680!8i3840!9m2!1b1!2i28?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8535338,-87.6124521,3a,75y,6... From what used to be Meigs Field. You have to back up quite a bit to see the entire building. It's very large, and right on the lake. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8538295,-87.6090441,3a,75y,283.22h,90t/data=!3m11!1e1!3m9!1sAF1QipOjZiPpYfoBQdIfKFhgox2McbxSRqVesm74sG1U!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOjZiPpYfoBQdIfKFhgox2McbxSRqVesm74sG1U%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya287.8858-ro-0-fo100!7i10240!8i5120!9m2!1b1!2i28?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8538295,-87.6090441,3a,75y,2...
- perilunar 3y ago
  You need more than 2 or 3 decals per window — there should be 2" or less of vertical space and 4" or less of horizontal space between markings (the 2" x 4" rule).
- deleted 3y ago
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xyst 3y ago

Wow only a few cities have replicated this. Is the associated cost of designing bird friendly buildings cost prohibitive? If so, need regulation to enforce this at state/local levels.

yoyopa 3y ago
it's not cost prohibitive if you pay for it. but it's more expensive by a lot

Dragonai 3y ago

This is SUCH an awesome and wonderful document. Thanks for sharing!