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Our new flagship distro: Fedora Asahi Remix
- solatic 3y agoTo any HN reader who wants to read it - because it relies on the :visited CSS property, just open it in a private window in your browser.
- modzu 3y ago[flagged]
- totallywrong 3y ago> i hope they are able to get some help. This type of comment does not help. I'm not fully aware of the details but they did get some very nasty comments right here on HN. In any case, and seeing the banner, submissions for that domain shouldn't be allowed, there's no point.
- vidanay 3y agoIsn't this one of the "allegations of mental illness" they point out?
- cosmojg 3y agoOh, I thought they meant "help" as in "help from the HN moderation team."
- unethical_ban 3y ago[flagged]
- mort96 3y agoWhat's offensive about it? Are you so easily offended that you can't handle someone disliking a website you sometimes read?
- lostmsu 3y ago> What's offensive about it? You don't know what's offensive in showing every HN user who is not a moderator they can't view this website because they visit HN? "Offensive" - "Causing anger, displeasure, or resentment" "Resentment" - "feeling of having been wronged" Majority here did nothing wrong. Quite a bit probably downvoted/flagged comments in question. Their worst offense was reading HN. Many will get resentment (see above) therefore the thing is offensive by definition.
- Andrex 3y agoWell that's a hell of a specific block message. Always interested in checking out new Linux distros but not interested in drama.
- empyrrhicist 3y agoMost of what I've seen on HN about Asahi has been enthusiasm and admiration of their rapid progress. Curious what they're seeing.
- ComputerGuru 3y agoYes, others have similarly observed that HN absolutely fawns over Asahi but the Asahi crew have somehow got it into their heads that HN readers are bigots that have it in for them. In that sense, the referrer block seems to at least make sense if you look at it the other way around, HN readers can instead spend their time supporting an effort that doesn’t paint them all with the same brush.
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- iameli 3y agoHow does saying that they have been consistently harassed from this platform paint everyone here with the same brush?
- funcDropShadow 3y agoBy blocking everyone coming from HN, they paint everyone here with the same brush, don't they?
- flylikeabanana 3y agoLet's say I block all Tor users for my website, because the level of abuse that Tor enables means an overwhelming amount of the malicious traffic I encounter comes from Tor. Am I painting all Tor users with the same brush here, or am I just min-maxing my time and energy trying to wrangle all the crap?
- cosmojg 3y agoAlt link: https://archive.ph/zWlTu https://archive.ph/zWlTu I wonder how they're throwing up that banner. I'm unable to access the blog post even when I navigate to it from their main page now. At least Firefox's Reader Mode seems to do the trick! That, and archived links.
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- cf100clunk 3y agoHere's the element: <a aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" class="hnsucks hnsucks2" rel="nofollow" href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971867">Hi! It looks like you might have come from Hacker News. We've consistently found large numbers of comments containing blatant harassment, abuse, and bigotry directed at multiple Asahi Linux developers in HN comment sections, which go unmoderated for long periods of time or indefinitely. These abusive comments rank highly in search results for our project and the names of our developers, and continue to do so to this day.<br><br>In addition, we find that only a tiny fraction of HN comments (often less than 1%) actually engage with the substance of our articles, with the majority being off-topic, misinformative, repetitive, or otherwise of low quality, making the overall value of HN exposure overwhelmingly negative for our project.<br><br>We have tried to raise the issue of rampant abuse and low-quality discussion with HN mods, but instead of replying they added <code>rel="noreferrer"</code> to links to our site (specifically), to make it harder for us to block HN traffic. We sent a further email and explicitly pointed out a thread with multiple severe instances of directed, explicit harassment at one of our developers (including multiple allegations of mental illness, direct insults, misgendering, and transphobic dog whistles, all unmoderated and publicly visible and indexed). Some of these were removed weeks later (after being up for months), but they stopped responding after we pointed out even more instances of abuse.<br><br>At this point, we are forced to conclude that Y Combinator and Daniel Gackle are actively choosing to platform hate and harassment against open source developers, and further are actively working to evade blocking of this harassment by those targeted. For this reason, we are not interested in traffic or commentary from HN. Please move on to the next story.<br><br>To Dang: Do better.</a>
- windsurfer 3y agoIt's interesting how this site gets around the ``rel="noreferrer"`` added to the link from HN. The banner uses a :visited CSS attribute to selectively show/hide the banner client side if your browser has been to the URL https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971867. With how many other browser history privacy leaks have been released lately using :visited hacks, I wonder how long it will be until browser vendors disable :visited support across domains entirely.
- fotta 3y agoI’m not seeing the banner when coming from the comments on iOS Safari. Maybe it just doesn’t show on mobile though.
- cosmojg 3y agoNah, I'm getting it on mobile via Firefox. Sounds like a Safari thing.
- doodlesdev 3y agoAlso on Firefox on Android but not getting the banner. edit: Enabling JavaScript makes it show up. What a fucking ridiculous banner that is too, thankfully I don't have a macbook so I don't need to use this.
- hot_gril 3y agoI'm confused, does the banner block the page normally? Firefox on Mac here with default settings aside from uBO extension, opened in separate (non-private) tab with cmd-click. Banner was at the bottom and didn't block anything. I didn't even notice it until I read the comments here.
- doodlesdev 3y agoFor me it did block the full screen.
- widowlark 3y agoIs anyone able to find these specific instances? I did a search of Asahi on HN search, and all the comments on the top posts are positive, and none are attacks on the creators. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but I would really like to know where this happened so I can see for myself.
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- hot_gril 3y agoIf you want to find those, probably enable deadcomments on HN, go to the links, and scroll to the bottom where the flagged stuff is.
- unethical_ban 3y agoCongratulations to Asahi for finding a good upstream partner. Red Hat drama aside, Fedora seems like a good place to land for fast moving but mainstream and with resources. Meta: What a close-minded and sweeping statement to make with that pop-up. It's just a really bad, wrong opinion. It is so wrong, it makes me wonder if the author has "flagged" enabled or if they have some kind of accessibility mode which doesn't fade downvoted comments. HN can get pendantic, and any non-private forum has bad takes on it. But this is the equivalent of a comedian getting heckled by one person and telling the audience to go fuck themselves. But then again, if one thinks HN only has 1% interesting commentary, we're already too far apart to reconcile. Good luck with the actual computer stuff. Running fedora natively on a MacBook with good trackpad performance would be amazing.
- mort96 3y ago> But then again, if one thinks HN only has 1% interesting commentary, we're already too far apart to reconcile. That ... is not what the text says.
- unethical_ban 3y agoYeah, it pretty much is. I'd copy and paste it, but I can't because of the hacky implementation. Suffice it to say it shits on HN for reasons I disagree with. I still root for them to do well on the core project.
- mort96 3y agoYou should've copy/pasted it, maybe you would've found out what it actually says: > we find that only a tiny fraction of HN ... actually engage with the substance of our articles Emphasis mine. "Most comments on HN have interesting commentary" is 100% compatible with "only a small fraction of HM comments on articles from Asahi engage with the substance of those articles". In fact, you may even find discussions which have nothing to do with "the substance of [their] articles" to have interesting commentary!
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- kykeonaut 3y agoSeems to be hinting at the comments from this HN story [0]. Don't fuel the flame, but make your own conclusions. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33789940 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33789940
- loeg 3y agoAll of the top-level comments seem ... fine? Even the gray ones are just gray for being dumb or irrelevant. Not hate-y. I have showdead off, though, and didn't exhaustively scan the lower-level comments.
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- thrwawy1234 3y agoI get the impression they're hyper sensitive about the v-tuber persona, which is odd, because nothing seems to scream "look at me" more than adopting some very unusual virtual persona to publicly stream development for an open source project that a large number of people are interested in... So, they want attention, but don't want attention. They also seem to be engaging in the increasingly unproductive habit of putting "that made me sad" into the "that's [insert-favorite-prefix]-phobia!" bin.
- theossuary 3y agoHN is disproportionately bigoted. I'm a trans person and using this site can be really fraught at times. They aren't painting all of HN with a brush; but it's fair to say that I wouldn't want HN discussing my projects either, because it'll tend towards right-wing hatred more often than not. That's just a large portion of the demographic of this website. I'm glad the Asahi team is taking a stance against bigotry instead of brushing it under the rug like so many "allies" do. You can get butt hurt when someone says a group you're a part of has issues; or you can self-reflect and understand where the criticism is coming from. That's up to you.
- empyrrhicist 3y agoI've seen some pretty bad sexism on articles about women in tech, but I don't recall that on any posts about Asahi. Transphobic commenters also (subjectively) seem like a small minority.
- ATsch 3y agoIt doesn't matter if they're a minority if moderation just lets them use HN as a megaphone and post hundreds of comments before any sort of reaction. Or in terms of a tired metaphor: If you refuse to weed out your bad apples, you can't really complain when people stop taking your fruit shipments because they keep spoiling their bunches :)
- loeg 3y agoWhen you say disproportionate, what are you comparing against?
- DiabloD3 3y agoI would love for you to point out comments that that are bigoted against trans people. HN has always been a trans-friendly website and major members of HN over the years have been either trans or openly pro-trans. I've never seen it, which implies dang actually does his job.
- Timon3 3y ago
- serf 3y agotalk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater; i'm not interested in inter-domain squabbles, I just wanted to read about your distro.. now, less so. separate the drama and direct it to those that can enact change. manipulating the commons with emotional pleas to put pressure on operators is the same reason I can't stand twitter. it's trivial to get around, but i'm not going to. whynot? because i'm being stereotyped as a 'HN user', and generalizations (as mentioned in the plea) are harmful and unfriendly. So, much like they did , i'm opting out; but I only lose a single experience, they lose an audience.
- hot_gril 3y agoLinux open source world has always been full of drama and unusual personalities. Just look at Richard "interject for a moment" Stallman and Linus "no YOU are full of bullshit" Torvalds. It's pretty fun ngl. Idk much about Asahi but seems like some guy is releasing incredibly impressive work while also trolling a bunch of grouchy people with the vtuber and anime stuff.
- mort96 3y ago"I'm being stereotyped as a 'HN user'" no you're not, they're just blocking HN. Stop being so fragile. "I'm not reading their tech blog because they blocked traffic from a website I sometimes read", come on. The text is critical of HN, not of you. Unless you think you're one of the people who leaves "comments containing blatant harassment, abuse, and bigotry directed at multiple Asahi Linux developers".
- lostmsu 3y agoThis text is critical of him not in the content, but in the form it is presented. The author admits they were not able to persuade admins of HN to do as the author pleased, and then decided to kick the users.
- mort96 3y agoAre you saying the text is critical of /u/serf? How so? Is /u/serf a moderator's alt? You're gonna have to explain.
- pseudo0 3y ago[flagged]
- totallywrong 3y agoWhy is it a red flag? Because you wouldn't do it? I also don't quite get it, but recognise that I'm in no position to judge. That's their project and they can do as they please.
- pseudo0 3y agoIt breaks the implicit assumption that one human == one account. Consider a typical case where Alice approves Eve's PR. Bob sees that and decides that he doesn't have to review it, since Alice has already provided a second opinion. Now if Eve is really Alice's sockpuppet, that PR has slipped past without review. It also creates issues with respect to decision-making and consensus building. Wikipedia bans sockpuppets for good reason.
- hot_gril 3y agoI don't see why it really matters given that it's the leader of the project doing it. Can see why Asahi project wouldn't want other contributors doing this, though.
- Retr0id 3y agoHave any of your PRs been reviewed by either?
- totallywrong 3y agoWell, you obviously aren't the type of contributor they target. Clearly there's a lot of people who don't care about these made up rules. I'm still not sure why you felt compelled to do the research to prove Alina is an alter-ego, and then offer your judgement here not once but twice, knowing it's a topic some people are highly sensitive about.
- pseudo0 3y ago
- c-hendricks 3y agoI see posts can be flagged and removed (censored?) from the front page. Is there any way users can vote for things to be un-flagged?
- captn3m0 3y agoI’ve been running Asahi on my secondary machine (M2 Air) and it’s been quite good. I’m happy with Arch though, so unlikely to switch to the Fedora remix, but it is tempting - I haven’t distro hopped in almost a decade now. If you don’t like Arch or Fedora, note that there’s unofficial installers for a few other distros, including Debian, Ubuntu, and Rocky. https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/SW%3AAlternative-Distros https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/SW%3AAlternative-Dis...