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I wonder if they're ever going to decide that enough emoji is enough, or will continue adding more until every word in the dictionary is an emoji. There have be
by dexwell 3y ago
I wonder if they're ever going to decide that enough emoji is enough, or will continue adding more until every word in the dictionary is an emoji. There have been some ridiculous inclusions in the past years despite more obvious candidates that are still missing.
The great thing about emoji used to be the constraints, which made for a clear overview of available emoji and made people use the limited set in creative ways to express different things. Besides the more extraneous options, they never should've started adding things like skin/hair color modifiers imo, sticking to the single yellow/neutral color instead. Counterproductively, that opened up ways for people to not feel represented.
- matsemann 3y ago> There have been some ridiculous inclusions in the past years despite more obvious candidates that are still missing. Well, obvious missing to you. That's probably why it will always expand, no one will agree on when it's done, including you. ;)
- johnofthesea 3y agoI use Emojis for my gardening site as icons for taxonomical families. So I would welcome some berries and maybe more vegetables.
- WastingMyTime89 3y agoHave you heard of this thing called an image?
- johnofthesea 3y agoHh sure I even like to create some. But for this purpose I do not bother. I need something small that I can just use for personal purpose. It works well with outdoor internet - where it is used. Adds bit of accent on minimal site to ease the navigation. I do not really care if they add more veggies etc. I mentioned it as user-case in context of adding random Emojis.
- __jonas 3y agoEmojis are great as quick icons that take zero work to source, add in, align with text in the layout and size consistently. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, especially since people on hn love to complain about inclusion of unnecessary assets in websites that could be more lightweight.
- capableweb 3y agoLooked it up, "image" sounds just like Emoji but with extra steps, annoying.
- dagmx 3y agoEmoji are zero cost resources for websites on most devices and have the benefit of matching the users expectations of iconography across the system, not to mention being accessible by default. It’s really a win win of size reduction, consistency and accessibility. The only competitive systems are something like font-awesome icons or SFSymbols. The latter isn’t available to sites afaik though.
- lapcat 3y ago> consistency There's no consistency, because different operating systems and web browsers display emoji differently, and emoji availability depends crucially on the OS or browser version.
- dagmx 3y agoThe emoji is consistent across their system. That’s the consistency that matters to most users.
- lapcat 3y agoIncorrect, because emoji are being used to communicate with other people on different systems. That's their primary purpose, not to write to yourself.
- dagmx 3y agoI’m not sure why you’re struggling with this concept. It is consistent for the user on whatever system they are on. If they switch between apps, they see the same emoji that they’re familiar with. The web developer doesn’t have to care what the icon looks like. They just say: use this emoji that semantically means “flower”. They know it may look different to other users but it will look like what that individual user is familiar with.
- lapcat 3y ago> I’m not sure why you’re struggling with this concept. I'm not struggling with any concept. It's a simple fact that as emojis continually get added to Unicode, not all browsers and operating systems support all emoji, and so one person sees a broken black box where another person sees the emoji. That's gross inconsistency.
- RobotToaster 3y agoHave you looked at fork awesome? It's an icon toolkit that basically gives you a lot more emojis https://forkaweso.me/Fork-Awesome/ https://forkaweso.me/Fork-Awesome/
- johnofthesea 3y agoI have used Font Awesome back in the days. Have not used this one yet. Bookmarked just in case. Thanks.
- Symbiote 3y agoI'll suggest genitals and breasts as the most obvious missing emojis. Most other major body parts are included.
- arcanemachiner 3y agoWell, there's the eggplant and the peach.
- RobotToaster 3y agoI can't remember which program it was, but there's one that has Unofficial support for combining most emoji (so (cowboy) (cat) becomes a cowboy cat, for instance). I kind of like that idea.
- odiroot 3y agoIt took them ages to a add a dumpling emoji!
- EarthIsHome 3y ago> I wonder if they're ever going to decide that enough emoji is enough, or will continue adding more until every word in the dictionary is an emoji. Emojis, like language, is social and will continue to change.
- eloisius 3y agoIt’s unlike language because words can fluidly be invented or fall out of use. Emoji is designed by a committee. If it expands to include everything it will just be unusable. Why not just use pictures at that point anyway?
- chromoblob 3y agoWhy do you think it will be unusable? Chinese and Japanese have IME.
- eloisius 3y agoI input Chinese everyday and it’s fairly simple. You input a phonetic sequence and choose the character. I already find it hard to use emoji. It takes forever to scan through the faces to find the one I want, and search online sometimes helps because emoji often have a popular use that isn’t congruent with their “official” purpose.
- chromoblob 3y agoJust wait for or create an Emoji IME which suggests emoji based on name. This already exists in Windows 10.
- opan 3y agoI don't know if there's a default OS solution that's any good, but I have a file of emoji + their text names and I use bemenu (like dmenu) to filter through it by name and put the selection on my clipboard. I bind this script to super-z on my keyboard in my Sway config. I based it on something[0] I found online that used dmenu or rofi and input the text for you. I adapted it to work better on Wayland by using a Wayland-native menu instead. [0] https://github.com/LVMBDV/emoji https://github.com/LVMBDV/emoji I'm probably missing some newer ones now. Not sure how the original list was made. Emacs's M-x insert-char may be able to do something kinda similar. I know describe-char works great for identifying an emoji at least.
- johannes1234321 3y ago> I wonder if they're ever going to decide that enough emoji is enough, Really hard to do by this time. Since they allowed so many it's harder to say no. They have a burrito, but why no kebap, yet? They have person's playing basketball or golfing, but no person playing football (any variant) putting a stop to it gives an arbitrary set and restricts representing develoment in society (they have kick scooters which are modern, but what about the future successor?) But of course, the more they add the harder it is to use. These new directional ones can be hidden as variants similar to skin color etc is currently handled in UIs, but individual ones ... Deprecating also isn't an option. Text using those exists. They can't really break it.
- DeusExMachina 3y agoWelcome to the world where every idiosyncrasy is considered an identity worth representing, through emojis or other means, generating a never-ending breakdown of people into groups that feel excluded.
- junek 3y agoWhich identities do you consider excessive? I'm also confused as to how a lime or a shaking head is an identity.
- roland35 3y agoOr, ya know, sometimes it's just fun to add a lime emoji to a text...
- dmvdoug 3y agoBut how do we put de lime in de coconut?!
- olliecornelia 3y agoYou’re fighting the good fight for braindead take representation.
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- vasco 3y agoSkin color emojis are the weirdest thing. I always find it slightly odd if someone changed them from the default yellow. Why would one care?
- realusername 3y agoI also don't get it, it should be a system wide setting and not something the sender specifies, I don't see any point in having some additional info not representing the meaning.
- kemayo 3y agoThere is meaning, though -- it's specifically saying something about the person sending it and how they chose to present themselves.
- realusername 3y agoI don't think there's any value to that though, emojis were more neutral before they added a color skin to it. Instead of reading "I'm happy", now you have a combination of "I'm happy but also white" or "I'm happy but also black", I don't think that belongs here and I don't see any point to that. If you don't like how they appear, some system setting could be made for changing the overall colours to switch them all to black, white, green or any other colour.
- Sharlin 3y agoWhy in heaven's name should it be a system wide setting? What sense would that make?
- realusername 3y agoThe whole feature doesn't make any sense in my opinion anyways. But if people are really sensitive to how emoji appears (a big if in my opinion since emojis are trivial but let's go with it), they could change them in the settings.
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- lapcat 3y agoThis is why I stopped using emoji 5 years and never looked back. It's a really stupidly designed system if you need operating system updates just to read text! I won't participate in that insanity anymore. Emoji have become trite, lazy, and practically meaningless, especially a few such as "face with tears of joy", "rolling on the floor laughing face", and "fire". Emoticons used to be a supplement for words, indicating the tone of the words, but now emoji are a replacement for words, the ultimate illiteracy. The reductio ad absurdum is the recent Canadian legal case where the court determined that a "thumbs up" emoji signals a binding contract.
- post-it 3y ago> The reductio ad absurdum is the recent Canadian legal case where the court determined that a "thumbs up" emoji signals a binding contract. Why do you believe so? If "Looks good," "Ok," and "Yup" signal a binding contract, as detailed in the case you're talking about, I contend it's perfectly reasonable for :thumbsup: to also signal a binding contract between the same parties. [0] Consider: > 5. For instance, on July 14, 2020, after discussing and agreeing on a contract with Chris Achter, I prepared a contract for the sale of 185 metric tons [sic] of durum wheat from Achter Ltd. to SWT for a price of $312.31 per ton [sic]. I signed the contract and then took a photo of it using my cell phone and sent it to Chris at 306-264-7664. I messaged: “Please confirm terms of durum contract.” Chris texted me back: “Looks good”. At the time, I understood this to be that Chris was agreeing to the contract and this was his way of signally [sic] that agreement. Achter Ltd. delivered on this contract without issue. A copy of the contract and text message is attached as Exhibit “B”. > 6. On September 11, 2020, after discussing and agreeing on a contract with Chris Acter [sic], I prepared a contract for the sale of 131 metric tons [sic] of durum wheat from Achter Ltd. to SWT for a price of $284.77 per ton [sic]. I signed the contract and then took a photo of it using my cell phone and sent it to Chris at 306-264-7664. I messaged: “Please confirm terms of durum contract”. Chris texted me back: “Ok”. At that time, I understood this to be that Chris was agreeing to the contract and this was his way of signally [sic] that agreement. Achter Ltd. delivered on this contract without issue. A copy of the contract and the text messages is attached as Exhibit “C”. > 7. On October 21, 2020, after discussing and agreeing on a contract with Chris Acter [sic], I prepared a contract for the sale of 395 metric tons [sic] of durum wheat from Achter Ltd. to SWT for a price of $308.65 per ton [sic]. I signed the contract and then took a photo of it using my cell phone and sent it to Chris at 306-264-7664. I messaged: “Please confirm terms of durum contract”. Chris texted me back: “Yup”. At that time, I understood this to be that Chris was agreeing to the contract and this was his way of signally [sic] that agreement. Achter Ltd. delivered on this contract without issue. A copy of the contract and the text messages is attached as Exhibit “D”. [0] https://www.canlii.org/en/sk/skkb/doc/2023/2023skkb116/2023skkb116.html https://www.canlii.org/en/sk/skkb/doc/2023/2023skkb116/2023s...
- Name_Chawps 3y agoI think every noun should have an emoji. Why not? I'm allowed to talk about lemons, but not limes? Why? Better that every noun has a single canonical representation.
- LordDragonfang 3y agoSpeaking of obvious candidates, somehow Unicode still doesn't include the "external link" symbol, despite it being used almost everywhere (and fitting the original mission of accurately transcribing text) https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2018/18303-external-link.pdf https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2018/18303-external-link.pdf
- inhumantsar 3y agoI genuinely hope that emojis keep being added. A lot of meaning can be packed into a single emoji which (usually) transcends language and culture. It's been fascinating to see emoji work their way into everyday usage, even in professional settings. I would love to see the day where emoji becomes a viable form of cross-cultural shorthand.
- throw37284 3y agoReminds me of the Chinese written language. People who speak different dialects or languages can still communicate with written Chinese. I remember at a conference talking to a Japanese guy and a guy from Korea. I wrote my name in Chinese and they could both read it, but said it in their native language.
- mostlylurks 3y ago> I would love to see the day where emoji becomes a viable form of cross-cultural shorthand. I have my doubts regarding this. We're already seeing a situation where different groups within a single culture, the young and the old, use many common emoji in ways that differ dramatically (at least in the west), sometimes even with opposing meanings. If the meanings of emoji aren't stable even within a single culture, how could they ever hope to transcend culture?
- dmvdoug 3y agoOh god this. I get emails from students with emoji and I very frequently have to ask them, “How are you using this one?” Of course, the fascinating thing is that different groups of kids use the same emoji slightly differently. So.
- inhumantsar 3y agoThe same way we manage words with multiple meanings or different words which sound the same: context and history
- numpad0 3y agoWhilist problems from Unicode comingling CJK(more like CCJ?) characters are getting worse. Yeah, it's a great situation. 1: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdxZ5koVsAAQj-n.png:medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdxZ5koVsAAQj-n.png:medium 2: https://jyurin-hack.com/it/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/nihongo-e1505790174493-600x238.jpg https://jyurin-hack.com/it/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/nihong... 3: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/chinese-fonts-rendering-problem-on-windows-10-pro/481f1032-156a-449e-bbc0-204f9cc139c5 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/chines... 4: https://www.codeproject.com/Tips/1227524/Fixing-Inconsistent-Stroke-Width-of-Chinese-Charac https://www.codeproject.com/Tips/1227524/Fixing-Inconsistent...
- derefr 3y agoMobile-phone OS vendors like Apple and Google invent cute little pictures for people to send to each-other in text messages (and, mostly coincidentally, type into other apps and post to the web.) Then they tell the Unicode Consortium that they've invented these little pictures, and they're planning on putting them in their software, and so the Unicode Consortium better assign them codepoints, because if they don't, they'll just encode those pictures with a proprietary encoding and send them anyway, like ICQ and MSN did back in 2001. And then the Unicode Consortium does give them a codepoint — because the whole point of Unicode is that there shouldn't be any text on the Internet that can't have its meaning determined 50 years from now because it was encoded in some proprietary now-lost encoding. This is how it was from the very beginning. The first emoji codepoints in Unicode were added in order to have a valid projection-mapping into Unicode of the "SJIS with emojis" text written on Japanese mobile phones that became common on the Japanese Internet — including documents like "cellphone novels" with high historical preservation value.