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Subreddit Migration Directory

363 points by btw0 3y ago

lexandstuff 3y ago
All the best over at Lemmy. I'm sure the community is more than happy to operate at a loss in perpetuity, unlike Reddit. Please let us know when we can access our contributions again.
- jcz_nz 3y ago
  Literally, the very point is that there is no “they”.
  - lexandstuff 3y ago
    Well, someone has to pay to run the servers that host each federated sub-Lemmy (or whatever they call it). People have to write the core code and fix the bugs, which they presumably are paying for in free labour. Someone has to pay the CI costs for the core project etc. They might not all be part of the same organisation, but there will be plenty of people in the ecosystem operating at a loss. If they're happy with that arrangement, great! But I want to use Reddit.
    - Gareth321 3y ago
      Lemmy and Kbin are opensource, so there are no dev costs. That’s a big one. The other is hosting. Of course servers aren’t free, so each instance will need to figure out how they keep the lights on. Way back in the before times (2000), we used to host forums on our own computers, or pay for basic hosting. Maybe $50/m, though it’s much cheaper these days. This was fine because we went to these forums for topic-specific discussion and they were generally quite small compared to Reddit of today. Lemmy and ActivityPub in general is perfect for this because it connects these thousands of little servers. To me, this is marrying the best of what we had 20 years ago with the best of what we have today. I should remind you that Reddit isn’t asking for $20 million annually from Apollo to merely cover their costs. They have a very healthy profit margin baked into that fee. So even if we were to pay for a competitor, it would cost a lot less than that. This, combined with the decentralised nature of Lemmy, means these costs can be nicely distributed over tens of thousands of people, using small donations here and there to keep the lights on. This isn’t the insurmountable problem you seem to believe it to be.
      - lexandstuff 3y ago
        I miss forums. But every forum I frequented in the early 2000s eventually shut down, and we lost the data forever. I don't see how federated servers will be any different. At least with Reddit, there's an entity working towards building a sustainable solution to keep it running. That is, until some moderators decided to close the communities and hide our contributions. Anyway, my point is: vote with your feet and leave Reddit if you want. But don't vandalise the site on your way out, ruining it for everyone else.
        Gareth321 3y ago
        The data is at risk in both scenarios for different reasons. Yes, Lemmy instances can and will shutter. In time, I hope, there will be tools which keep data synchronised between instances for redundancy. Now consider the risks on Reddit. Reddit doesn't want a sustainable platform. They want a profitable platform. Those are very different goals. 1. Reddit has banned and deleted countless users, comments, and subreddits over the years. All of that data is gone forever. The decisions were arbitrary and opaque. The subreddit owners and users weren't even given notice so they could back up the subreddit data and migrate elsewhere. 2. Reddit has and will increasingly demand users access the remaining data using increasingly user hostile channels. The mobile site Reddit experience is all but ruined. They're currently trialing blocking it entirely. The standard desktop website is atrocious. They track everything, and aggressively monetise, meaning ads everywhere. If the data on the site is gated behind intrusive tracking practises, a hostile UX, a plethora of ads, and perhaps in the future even a subscription, do we really have access to that data? 3. Reddit has an incentive to promote advertiser friendly content, and hide other content. This means the main feed is full of content I don't care about. Their search is one of the worst in the industry, and it has been blocking undesirable content for years. The most effective way to find content on Reddit is Google, but Reddit is working hard to break that. About a year or so ago Google could no longer accurately record the submission date, meaning their date searching tools were rendered useless. Shortly after that, Google stopped caching Reddit content. We should expect that Reddit has been working hard to ensure no one can find the "bad" content, and only ever lands on the "good" content. If you can't ever find the relevant data, do we really have access to it? I just don't see how you could argue that our data is safer with an evil corporation than an army of dedicated users. You claim that mods and/or users are vandalising the site on the way out. We're really just deleting the content we uploaded.
tech234a 3y ago
I find it ironic that selfhosted isn’t running their own Lemmy instance.
- lolinder 3y ago
  The guy who's running lemmy.world is also one of the mods on selfhosted@lemmy.world, so they kind of are.
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oehtXRwMkIs 3y ago
> r/StarWars: Star Trek@startrek.website Please tell me this is a joke.
- treyd 3y ago
  Yeah that sounds like it's a pending trademark violation C&D.
- Eupolemos 3y ago
  A funny one at that.
  - number6 3y ago
    like /r/trees and /r/marijuanaenthusiasts
michaelnoguera 3y ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20230616040357/https://redditmigration.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230616040357/https://redditmig...
fermentation 3y ago
Anyone know where the r/learnjapanese folks ended up?
- redmerchant2 3y ago
  What value do you get out of that sub, out of curiosity? I found it to have good resources that have been aggregated but the most awful “community”. So many weebs with minor proficiency attacking and berating posters.
  - fermentation 3y ago
    It is very highly ranked on Google unfortunately, and I have a bunch of old saved posts.
  - midoridensha 3y ago
    >What value do you get out of that sub, out of curiosity? I found it to have good resources that have been aggregated but the most awful “community”. Why does this not surprise me? The Japan-expat-oriented subs on reddit are frequently terrible, especially /r/japanlife, which has the worst mods I've ever seen in a sub.
Semaphor 3y ago
Just remember, if you want to interact with both selfhosted@lemmy.world and Technology@beehaw.org (edit: and have an account on either!), you need two accounts, because beehaw.org defederated lemmy.world, funnily enough, because of lacking mod-tools (part of the reason of the Reddit uproar).
- groceryheist 3y ago
  Can't you just follow them all from a 3rd server, even a mastodon server?
  - mikae1 3y ago
    You can.
  - Semaphor 3y ago
    Yeah, forgot to mention that not exactly unimportant part, I’m on neither myself and can use them just fine -.- edited it in.
- neltnerb 3y ago
  I mean, I have no huge interest in this battle but if you are on neither you can certainly federate with both. This is a huge advantage of a large number of smaller servers, defederation as a policy decision by your instance administrator can be solved by moving to a new one without nearly as much trouble if you disagree with it. The huge disadvantage (or advantage as it evolves) is that technology@lemmy.bobstown and technology@kbin.char (made up instances) have different membership and moderation. It will be interesting to see how that goes, I expect niche topics to end up accumulating on one or two servers to gain enough membership while huge topics end up with more serious siloing by instance.
  - Semaphor 3y ago
    > if you are on neither you can certainly federate with both. Yeah, forgot to mention that not exactly unimportant part, I’m on neither myself and can use them just fine -.- edited it in. Regarding duplicate communities, I think one of the most important features needed will be something like multi-subs as reddit had it. Right now, I can’t just read all my technology subs without opening them one by one. This will only get worse if more servers defederate from each other.
quaintdev 3y ago
I think this is Reddit single handedly doing what we have been wanting for so long a.k.a. decentralised communities. The only advantage(?) Reddit had over these was a user could have feed from all these communities which is still possible with RSS Edit: I want to know where r/selfhosted ended up, anyone knows?
- lolinder 3y ago
  selfhosted@lemmy.world is very active.
  - slekker 3y ago
    short rant: one thing I dislike about these ActivityPub links is that given it is parsed as an email, you cannot click it. Plus, I have no idea how this “email” translates to the actual URL I am supposed to use.
    - lolinder 3y ago
      True: https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted
    - treyd 3y ago
      Typically they're written with an `@` prefix, which implies that it may be a handle that supports WebFinger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebFinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebFinger WebFinger technially uses a `acct:` URI protocol scheme, but this wouldn't work here. Lemmy writes community refs with a `!` prefix, which is somewhat unusual.
    - natch 3y ago
      I think those in the bubbleverse think of that as a feature, not a bug.
    - Doxin 3y ago
      In general with the fediverse you go to the domain after the @ and over there use the search box to find the part preceding the @. In this case that leads me to https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted
marsven_422 3y ago
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unclekev 3y ago
Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undesirable behavior; > unfortunate reality we’ve also found is we just don’t have the tools or the time here to parse out all the good from all the bad. all we have is a nuke and some pretty rudimentary mod powers that don’t scale well. we have a list of improvements we’d like to see both on the moderation side of Lemmy and federation if at all possible–but we’re unanimous in the belief that we can’t wait on what we want to be developed here.
- lolinder 3y ago
  Beehaw was around a long time before Lemmy took the spotlight, and they explicitly have tried to have a high-moderation community with a distinct character. It wouldn't surprise me if they continue to defederate any instance with open registration. There are other programming communities on other servers that will likely become the actual replacement for r/programming. EDIT: The "What is Beehaw?" post in their sidebar[0] is a really enlightening introduction to the community, and also quite interesting for developing an understanding of the fediverse as a whole. This isn't going to be a drop-in replacement for Reddit because the admins will all have very different visions of the kinds of communities they want to create. I didn't end up deciding to join Beehaw, but reading their post made me very hopeful for the future of the fediverse as a whole. [0] https://beehaw.org/post/107014 https://beehaw.org/post/107014
  - ShroudedNight 3y ago
    > It wouldn't surprise me if they continue to defederate any instance with open registration. We're back to dodging Eris, are we?
    - codetrotter 3y ago
      > We're back to dodging Eris, are we? For those that don’t know: > Initially, most IRC servers formed a single IRC network, to which new servers could join without restriction, but this was soon abused by people who set up servers to sabotage other users, channels, or servers. Restriction grew and, in August 1990, eris.Berkeley.EDU was the last server indiscriminately allowing other servers to join it, Eris being the Greek goddess of strife and discord. > A group of operators, with the support of Jarkko Oikarinen, introduced a new "Q-line" into their server configurations, to "quarantine" themselves away from eris by disconnecting from any subset of the IRC network as soon as they saw eris there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFnet This is how the Eris-Free network, or EFnet as it is known, was formed. Further: > EFnet […] is a major Internet Relay Chat (IRC) network, with more than 35,000 users. It is the modern-day descendant of the original IRC network.
icapybara 3y ago
The top post on the most well known Lemmy instance (Lemmy.ml) is an announcement from the server admin that Lemmy.ml is now running on a dedicated machine, with 6 cores and 32 gb ram. Good for them, but this is supposed to be the Reddit replacement? A forum that was, until recently, just running on some guy’s computer? I know there are other instances but are there any serious ones?
- jonathanyc 3y ago
  Hacker News ran on a 2 core machine with 128 GB of RAM :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9222006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9222006
  - icapybara 3y ago
    Sure but Hacker News in 2015 isn’t on the scale of 2023 Reddit, and isn’t being pitched as an alternative to 2023 Reddit…
    - jconnop 3y ago
      Any reddit alternative needs time to mature and grow, the migration can't happen overnight. Unfortunately, unlike when we had Reddit already growing when the Digg exodus happened, there doesn't seem to be any pre-grown option this time around.
    - Gareth321 3y ago
      Alternatives don’t just appear out of thin air. No one’s going to purchase a huge server farm for a small user base. As Lemmy instances grow, more servers will be purchased. It happens organically.
      - hcks 3y ago
        Purchased with what money? People who migrated did so because ads are evil and 2$ per month is extortionate.
psychphysic 3y ago
I see Beehaw on there a couple times. The defederation wars have already begun [0][1] [0] https://beehaw.org/post/567170 https://beehaw.org/post/567170 [1] https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/69543 https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/69543
29athrowaway 3y ago
Reddit is built on volunteers and those volunteers are unhappy. Large subreddits simply cannot work without moderation. When that happens, Reddit is forced to close them. So either Reddit replaces all mods with AI in the short term, or brings back the mods, or just ceases to exist.
- tastyfreeze 3y ago
  The bullet was already fired by Reddit. With the size of Reddit it will take years for the site to join the pile of sites that have faded to irrelevance. But, at this point it is inevitable.
udunadan 3y ago
Shameless plug: I have created https://infosec.pub/c/exploitdev https://infosec.pub/c/exploitdev, a community inspired by /r/netsec, /r/vrd and /r/ReverseEngineering (no relation to any of these and I am not the admin of infosec.pub either) dedicated to technical security research content. The instance also has other infosec-related communities which I hope will get traction as well.
tomstockmail 3y ago
Another list: https://www.quippd.com/writing/2023/06/15/unofficial-subreddit-migration-list-lemmy-kbin-etc.html https://www.quippd.com/writing/2023/06/15/unofficial-subredd...
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bawis 3y ago
Anyone have news about r/opendirectories ??
lolinder 3y ago
Beehaw became a hub for the exodus largely through a misunderstanding—they were already active when Lemmy exploded, so a lot of the exiles found their way into their communities, but Beehaw's culture is in a lot of respects incompatible with Reddit's. It was only a matter of time before they decided preserving their community was more important than sheltering all of Reddit's exiles. I highly recommend reading Beehaw's history that they link from their sidebar. It helped me better understand the value proposition of the fediverse, and goes a long way towards explaining their perspective on the necessity of defederating the large instances: https://beehaw.org/post/107014 https://beehaw.org/post/107014
- Cthulhu_ 3y ago
  > Over time this platform, like many others before it, got infested with a group of people I like to refer to as rationalists. I'm reading another instance of "eternal september" in this post.
- camdenlock 3y ago
  I read it. It’s bizarre. They’re so convinced of their preferred ideology that they refer to indoctrination as simply “becoming a better person”. One doesn’t come across such intense blindness of self like that very often. Steer clear.
  - BasedAnon 3y ago
    The whole point of an ideology is to give you a way to view the world. If you didn't believe it was better than other ideologies there would be no point in that ideology. It's not self-blindness to believe in what you claim to (although that's not to say I believe what they believe).
    - Jcowell 3y ago
      > The whole point of an ideology is to give you a way to view the world. If you didn't believe it was better than other ideologies there would be no point in that ideology. I don’t see why these two are intertwined. You can believe in a certain idea while at the same time be open that it can be flawed or outright wrong. The point of an ideology is that something could be true. Not that something is. But maybe this is the agnostic bias in me talking.
Thorrez 3y ago
This site can’t provide a secure connection redditmigration.com uses an unsupported protocol. ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH I think for different people the hostname resolves to different IPs, and some IPs are broken. For me it resolves to 44.227.76.166 . curl -v https://redditmigration.com/ --resolve redditmigration.com:443:44.227.76.166 * Added redditmigration.com:443:44.227.76.166 to DNS cache * Hostname redditmigration.com was found in DNS cache * Trying 44.227.76.166... * TCP_NODELAY set * Connected to redditmigration.com (44.227.76.166) port 443 (#0) * ALPN, offering h2 * ALPN, offering http/1.1 * Cipher selection: ALL:!EXPORT:!EXPORT40:!EXPORT56:!aNULL:!LOW:!RC4:@STRENGTH * successfully set certificate verify locations: * CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CApath: /etc/ssl/certs * TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS header, Certificate Status (22): * TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1): * TLSv1.2 (IN), TLS header, Unknown (21): * TLSv1.2 (IN), TLS alert, Server hello (2): * error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure * Curl_http_done: called premature == 1 * stopped the pause stream! * Closing connection 0 curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure
czpl 3y ago
Can we go back to separate forums? That was a better time.
- bboygravity 3y ago
  This. Can't wait for phpBB and YaBB style re-replacements of Reddit.
xyst 3y ago
Anybody know the monthly cost of running a Lemmy instance?
yardstick 3y ago
Devils advocate: The poor showing of migrated communities - both low volume of migrations, and poor performance of the servers running them, isn’t helping the cause. Like, I look at that list and the broken-overloaded lemmys running them and I can’t help but think this is why Reddit is successful and will continue to be successful. Because very, very few will put up with such a poor experience the alternatives offer. Of course, if there’s some serious effort put in asap into the usability, stability and overall experience of the decentralised communities approach, then Reddit may falter. I’m not optimistic.
- fdgjgbdfhgb 3y ago
  Tô be fair, Reddit had a long time to grow organically, it didn't just spawn with millions of users overnight - same for most subreddits. Still, users now expect an active community and a fast and reliable website right now, not in 10 years. Lemmy/Kbin/whatever is not going to _replace_ Reddit today, and I don't think they ever meant to replace it all at once... but maybe they can keep growing and eventually get there.
Gareth321 3y ago
This is great! There are obviously fewer users but I find myself preferring that.
ghoshbishakh 3y ago
I don't know how HN ranking works..but this link just moved to 2nd page.
- btw0 3y ago
  Dang just told that anything reddit related has been downweighted deliberately.
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codetrotter 3y ago
It’s a pretty short list at the moment. They should add the communities on my instance to the list. https://zapad.nstr.no/post/31 https://zapad.nstr.no/post/31 =.=.=.= Technology and Programming c/technology – General technology news and links c/rust – Links and discussions relevant for users of the Rust programming language c/coolgithubprojects – Links to projects on GitHub, Gitlab, sr.ht, Codeberg, or other git hosts. If you found a project on any git hosting site, that seems cool or otherwise useful then it belongs here, as long as it is open source c/programming – General links and discussions about the art and craft of programming c/space – Exploration of space c/machine_learning – AI & ML c/bitcoin – For news and discussions about Bitcoin technology. Price discussions are off–topic. No posting about ICO sales, NFT sales or other kinds of token or coin sales. c/ethereum – For news and discussions about Ethereum technology. Price discussions are off–topic. No posting about ICO sales, NFT sales or other kinds of token or coin sales. c/linux – News and discussions relating to the Linux kernel as well as about Linux distributions like Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Debian, Gentoo, etc c/freebsd – News and discussions relating to the FreeBSD Operating System c/retro_computing – Sinclair ZX Spectrum, BBC Micro, Commodore 64, Amiga 1000, etc, etc c/demoscene – All about the demoscene, an international computer art subculture focused on producing demos: self-contained, sometimes extremely small, computer programs that produce audiovisual presentations. The purpose of a demo is to show off programming, visual art, and musical skills. -.-.-.- Creativity and Entertainment c/music – Talk about bands, artists, albums and songs c/videos – Cartoons, entertaining videos, etc. c/music_production – For singers, songwriters, producers and other people who make music c/aiart – For pictures that you’ve made using OpenAI DALL-E, Midjourney, etc, as well as for news and discussions about such tools c/drawing – Resources and discussions about drawing. You are welcome to show off drawings you’ve made. Note that for pictures where AI has been used a separate community c/aiart exists. c/design -.-.-.- Sports and Lifestyle c/skateboarding c/travel – share experiences and pictures from your travels, ask questions about places you want to visit c/surfing c/sailing c/climbing c/skiing c/snowboarding -.-.-.- Society, Life and Law c/ipr – Intellectual Property Rights -.-.-.- Language specific communities c/spanish – English discussions and links about the Spanish language, as well as Spanish learning resources. Posts and comments written in Spanish are welcome as well. c/esperanto – English discussions and links about the Esperanto constructed language, as well as Esperanto learning resources. Posts and comments written in Esperanto are welcome as well. -.-.-.- Country specific communities c/mexico – English and Spanish discussions and links relating to visiting or staying in Mexico c/spain – English and Spanish discussions and links relating to visiting or staying in Spain c/norway – English and Norwegian discussions and links relating to visiting or staying in Norway -.-.-.- General c/pictures – Share photos and pictures you’ve made. Note that for pictures where AI has been used a separate community c/aiart exists. -.-.-.- Come have look and make an account. https://zapad.nstr.no/ https://zapad.nstr.no/
codetrotter 3y ago
> r/StarWars: Star Trek@startrek.website This is going to greatly upset fans of both Star Wars and Star Trek, heh!
shostack 3y ago
What do I need to do to get access to all this content on my Android phone in an easy to use single app experience?
mvdtnz 3y ago
Personally I'd prefer a subreddit to subreddit mapping. /r/newzealand is refusing to let you read or post? Go to /r/aotearoa. Can't talk about F1 in /r/formula1? Check out /r/f1 etc. I'm not interested in Lemmy or Mastodon or any of this stuff.
- junon 3y ago
  Then you've missed the entire point of "migrating".

363 points by btw0 3y ago

All the best over at Lemmy. I'm sure the community is more than happy to operate at a loss in perpetuity, unlike Reddit. Please let us know when we can access our contributions again.

jcz_nz 3y ago
Literally, the very point is that there is no “they”.
- lexandstuff 3y ago
  Well, someone has to pay to run the servers that host each federated sub-Lemmy (or whatever they call it). People have to write the core code and fix the bugs, which they presumably are paying for in free labour. Someone has to pay the CI costs for the core project etc. They might not all be part of the same organisation, but there will be plenty of people in the ecosystem operating at a loss. If they're happy with that arrangement, great! But I want to use Reddit.
  - Gareth321 3y ago
    Lemmy and Kbin are opensource, so there are no dev costs. That’s a big one. The other is hosting. Of course servers aren’t free, so each instance will need to figure out how they keep the lights on. Way back in the before times (2000), we used to host forums on our own computers, or pay for basic hosting. Maybe $50/m, though it’s much cheaper these days. This was fine because we went to these forums for topic-specific discussion and they were generally quite small compared to Reddit of today. Lemmy and ActivityPub in general is perfect for this because it connects these thousands of little servers. To me, this is marrying the best of what we had 20 years ago with the best of what we have today. I should remind you that Reddit isn’t asking for $20 million annually from Apollo to merely cover their costs. They have a very healthy profit margin baked into that fee. So even if we were to pay for a competitor, it would cost a lot less than that. This, combined with the decentralised nature of Lemmy, means these costs can be nicely distributed over tens of thousands of people, using small donations here and there to keep the lights on. This isn’t the insurmountable problem you seem to believe it to be.
    - lexandstuff 3y ago
      I miss forums. But every forum I frequented in the early 2000s eventually shut down, and we lost the data forever. I don't see how federated servers will be any different. At least with Reddit, there's an entity working towards building a sustainable solution to keep it running. That is, until some moderators decided to close the communities and hide our contributions. Anyway, my point is: vote with your feet and leave Reddit if you want. But don't vandalise the site on your way out, ruining it for everyone else.
      - Gareth321 3y ago
        The data is at risk in both scenarios for different reasons. Yes, Lemmy instances can and will shutter. In time, I hope, there will be tools which keep data synchronised between instances for redundancy. Now consider the risks on Reddit. Reddit doesn't want a sustainable platform. They want a profitable platform. Those are very different goals. 1. Reddit has banned and deleted countless users, comments, and subreddits over the years. All of that data is gone forever. The decisions were arbitrary and opaque. The subreddit owners and users weren't even given notice so they could back up the subreddit data and migrate elsewhere. 2. Reddit has and will increasingly demand users access the remaining data using increasingly user hostile channels. The mobile site Reddit experience is all but ruined. They're currently trialing blocking it entirely. The standard desktop website is atrocious. They track everything, and aggressively monetise, meaning ads everywhere. If the data on the site is gated behind intrusive tracking practises, a hostile UX, a plethora of ads, and perhaps in the future even a subscription, do we really have access to that data? 3. Reddit has an incentive to promote advertiser friendly content, and hide other content. This means the main feed is full of content I don't care about. Their search is one of the worst in the industry, and it has been blocking undesirable content for years. The most effective way to find content on Reddit is Google, but Reddit is working hard to break that. About a year or so ago Google could no longer accurately record the submission date, meaning their date searching tools were rendered useless. Shortly after that, Google stopped caching Reddit content. We should expect that Reddit has been working hard to ensure no one can find the "bad" content, and only ever lands on the "good" content. If you can't ever find the relevant data, do we really have access to it? I just don't see how you could argue that our data is safer with an evil corporation than an army of dedicated users. You claim that mods and/or users are vandalising the site on the way out. We're really just deleting the content we uploaded.

tech234a 3y ago

I find it ironic that selfhosted isn’t running their own Lemmy instance.

lolinder 3y ago
The guy who's running lemmy.world is also one of the mods on selfhosted@lemmy.world, so they kind of are.

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oehtXRwMkIs 3y ago

> r/StarWars: Star Trek@startrek.website Please tell me this is a joke.

treyd 3y ago
Yeah that sounds like it's a pending trademark violation C&D.
Eupolemos 3y ago
A funny one at that.
- number6 3y ago
  like /r/trees and /r/marijuanaenthusiasts

michaelnoguera 3y ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20230616040357/https://redditmigration.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230616040357/https://redditmig...

fermentation 3y ago

Anyone know where the r/learnjapanese folks ended up?

redmerchant2 3y ago
What value do you get out of that sub, out of curiosity? I found it to have good resources that have been aggregated but the most awful “community”. So many weebs with minor proficiency attacking and berating posters.
- fermentation 3y ago
  It is very highly ranked on Google unfortunately, and I have a bunch of old saved posts.
- midoridensha 3y ago
  >What value do you get out of that sub, out of curiosity? I found it to have good resources that have been aggregated but the most awful “community”. Why does this not surprise me? The Japan-expat-oriented subs on reddit are frequently terrible, especially /r/japanlife, which has the worst mods I've ever seen in a sub.

Semaphor 3y ago

Just remember, if you want to interact with both selfhosted@lemmy.world and Technology@beehaw.org (edit: and have an account on either!), you need two accounts, because beehaw.org defederated lemmy.world, funnily enough, because of lacking mod-tools (part of the reason of the Reddit uproar).

groceryheist 3y ago
Can't you just follow them all from a 3rd server, even a mastodon server?
- mikae1 3y ago
  You can.
- Semaphor 3y ago
  Yeah, forgot to mention that not exactly unimportant part, I’m on neither myself and can use them just fine -.- edited it in.
neltnerb 3y ago
I mean, I have no huge interest in this battle but if you are on neither you can certainly federate with both. This is a huge advantage of a large number of smaller servers, defederation as a policy decision by your instance administrator can be solved by moving to a new one without nearly as much trouble if you disagree with it. The huge disadvantage (or advantage as it evolves) is that technology@lemmy.bobstown and technology@kbin.char (made up instances) have different membership and moderation. It will be interesting to see how that goes, I expect niche topics to end up accumulating on one or two servers to gain enough membership while huge topics end up with more serious siloing by instance.
- Semaphor 3y ago
  > if you are on neither you can certainly federate with both. Yeah, forgot to mention that not exactly unimportant part, I’m on neither myself and can use them just fine -.- edited it in. Regarding duplicate communities, I think one of the most important features needed will be something like multi-subs as reddit had it. Right now, I can’t just read all my technology subs without opening them one by one. This will only get worse if more servers defederate from each other.

quaintdev 3y ago

I think this is Reddit single handedly doing what we have been wanting for so long a.k.a. decentralised communities. The only advantage(?) Reddit had over these was a user could have feed from all these communities which is still possible with RSS Edit: I want to know where r/selfhosted ended up, anyone knows?

lolinder 3y ago
selfhosted@lemmy.world is very active.
- slekker 3y ago
  short rant: one thing I dislike about these ActivityPub links is that given it is parsed as an email, you cannot click it. Plus, I have no idea how this “email” translates to the actual URL I am supposed to use.
  - lolinder 3y ago
    True: https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted
  - treyd 3y ago
    Typically they're written with an `@` prefix, which implies that it may be a handle that supports WebFinger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebFinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebFinger WebFinger technially uses a `acct:` URI protocol scheme, but this wouldn't work here. Lemmy writes community refs with a `!` prefix, which is somewhat unusual.
  - natch 3y ago
    I think those in the bubbleverse think of that as a feature, not a bug.
  - Doxin 3y ago
    In general with the fediverse you go to the domain after the @ and over there use the search box to find the part preceding the @. In this case that leads me to https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted

marsven_422 3y ago

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unclekev 3y ago

Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undesirable behavior; > unfortunate reality we’ve also found is we just don’t have the tools or the time here to parse out all the good from all the bad. all we have is a nuke and some pretty rudimentary mod powers that don’t scale well. we have a list of improvements we’d like to see both on the moderation side of Lemmy and federation if at all possible–but we’re unanimous in the belief that we can’t wait on what we want to be developed here.

lolinder 3y ago
Beehaw was around a long time before Lemmy took the spotlight, and they explicitly have tried to have a high-moderation community with a distinct character. It wouldn't surprise me if they continue to defederate any instance with open registration. There are other programming communities on other servers that will likely become the actual replacement for r/programming. EDIT: The "What is Beehaw?" post in their sidebar[0] is a really enlightening introduction to the community, and also quite interesting for developing an understanding of the fediverse as a whole. This isn't going to be a drop-in replacement for Reddit because the admins will all have very different visions of the kinds of communities they want to create. I didn't end up deciding to join Beehaw, but reading their post made me very hopeful for the future of the fediverse as a whole. [0] https://beehaw.org/post/107014 https://beehaw.org/post/107014
- ShroudedNight 3y ago
  > It wouldn't surprise me if they continue to defederate any instance with open registration. We're back to dodging Eris, are we?
  - codetrotter 3y ago
    > We're back to dodging Eris, are we? For those that don’t know: > Initially, most IRC servers formed a single IRC network, to which new servers could join without restriction, but this was soon abused by people who set up servers to sabotage other users, channels, or servers. Restriction grew and, in August 1990, eris.Berkeley.EDU was the last server indiscriminately allowing other servers to join it, Eris being the Greek goddess of strife and discord. > A group of operators, with the support of Jarkko Oikarinen, introduced a new "Q-line" into their server configurations, to "quarantine" themselves away from eris by disconnecting from any subset of the IRC network as soon as they saw eris there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFnet This is how the Eris-Free network, or EFnet as it is known, was formed. Further: > EFnet […] is a major Internet Relay Chat (IRC) network, with more than 35,000 users. It is the modern-day descendant of the original IRC network.

icapybara 3y ago

The top post on the most well known Lemmy instance (Lemmy.ml) is an announcement from the server admin that Lemmy.ml is now running on a dedicated machine, with 6 cores and 32 gb ram. Good for them, but this is supposed to be the Reddit replacement? A forum that was, until recently, just running on some guy’s computer? I know there are other instances but are there any serious ones?

jonathanyc 3y ago
Hacker News ran on a 2 core machine with 128 GB of RAM :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9222006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9222006
- icapybara 3y ago
  Sure but Hacker News in 2015 isn’t on the scale of 2023 Reddit, and isn’t being pitched as an alternative to 2023 Reddit…
  - jconnop 3y ago
    Any reddit alternative needs time to mature and grow, the migration can't happen overnight. Unfortunately, unlike when we had Reddit already growing when the Digg exodus happened, there doesn't seem to be any pre-grown option this time around.
  - Gareth321 3y ago
    Alternatives don’t just appear out of thin air. No one’s going to purchase a huge server farm for a small user base. As Lemmy instances grow, more servers will be purchased. It happens organically.
    - hcks 3y ago
      Purchased with what money? People who migrated did so because ads are evil and 2$ per month is extortionate.

psychphysic 3y ago

I see Beehaw on there a couple times. The defederation wars have already begun [0][1] [0] https://beehaw.org/post/567170 https://beehaw.org/post/567170 [1] https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/69543 https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/69543

29athrowaway 3y ago

Reddit is built on volunteers and those volunteers are unhappy. Large subreddits simply cannot work without moderation. When that happens, Reddit is forced to close them. So either Reddit replaces all mods with AI in the short term, or brings back the mods, or just ceases to exist.

tastyfreeze 3y ago
The bullet was already fired by Reddit. With the size of Reddit it will take years for the site to join the pile of sites that have faded to irrelevance. But, at this point it is inevitable.

udunadan 3y ago

Shameless plug: I have created https://infosec.pub/c/exploitdev https://infosec.pub/c/exploitdev, a community inspired by /r/netsec, /r/vrd and /r/ReverseEngineering (no relation to any of these and I am not the admin of infosec.pub either) dedicated to technical security research content. The instance also has other infosec-related communities which I hope will get traction as well.

tomstockmail 3y ago

Another list: https://www.quippd.com/writing/2023/06/15/unofficial-subreddit-migration-list-lemmy-kbin-etc.html https://www.quippd.com/writing/2023/06/15/unofficial-subredd...

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bawis 3y ago

Anyone have news about r/opendirectories ??

lolinder 3y ago

Beehaw became a hub for the exodus largely through a misunderstanding—they were already active when Lemmy exploded, so a lot of the exiles found their way into their communities, but Beehaw's culture is in a lot of respects incompatible with Reddit's. It was only a matter of time before they decided preserving their community was more important than sheltering all of Reddit's exiles. I highly recommend reading Beehaw's history that they link from their sidebar. It helped me better understand the value proposition of the fediverse, and goes a long way towards explaining their perspective on the necessity of defederating the large instances: https://beehaw.org/post/107014 https://beehaw.org/post/107014

Cthulhu_ 3y ago
> Over time this platform, like many others before it, got infested with a group of people I like to refer to as rationalists. I'm reading another instance of "eternal september" in this post.
camdenlock 3y ago
I read it. It’s bizarre. They’re so convinced of their preferred ideology that they refer to indoctrination as simply “becoming a better person”. One doesn’t come across such intense blindness of self like that very often. Steer clear.
- BasedAnon 3y ago
  The whole point of an ideology is to give you a way to view the world. If you didn't believe it was better than other ideologies there would be no point in that ideology. It's not self-blindness to believe in what you claim to (although that's not to say I believe what they believe).
  - Jcowell 3y ago
    > The whole point of an ideology is to give you a way to view the world. If you didn't believe it was better than other ideologies there would be no point in that ideology. I don’t see why these two are intertwined. You can believe in a certain idea while at the same time be open that it can be flawed or outright wrong. The point of an ideology is that something could be true. Not that something is. But maybe this is the agnostic bias in me talking.

Thorrez 3y ago

This site can’t provide a secure connection redditmigration.com uses an unsupported protocol. ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH I think for different people the hostname resolves to different IPs, and some IPs are broken. For me it resolves to 44.227.76.166 . curl -v https://redditmigration.com/ --resolve redditmigration.com:443:44.227.76.166 * Added redditmigration.com:443:44.227.76.166 to DNS cache * Hostname redditmigration.com was found in DNS cache * Trying 44.227.76.166... * TCP_NODELAY set * Connected to redditmigration.com (44.227.76.166) port 443 (#0) * ALPN, offering h2 * ALPN, offering http/1.1 * Cipher selection: ALL:!EXPORT:!EXPORT40:!EXPORT56:!aNULL:!LOW:!RC4:@STRENGTH * successfully set certificate verify locations: * CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CApath: /etc/ssl/certs * TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS header, Certificate Status (22): * TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1): * TLSv1.2 (IN), TLS header, Unknown (21): * TLSv1.2 (IN), TLS alert, Server hello (2): * error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure * Curl_http_done: called premature == 1 * stopped the pause stream! * Closing connection 0 curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure

czpl 3y ago

Can we go back to separate forums? That was a better time.

bboygravity 3y ago
This. Can't wait for phpBB and YaBB style re-replacements of Reddit.

xyst 3y ago

Anybody know the monthly cost of running a Lemmy instance?

yardstick 3y ago

Devils advocate: The poor showing of migrated communities - both low volume of migrations, and poor performance of the servers running them, isn’t helping the cause. Like, I look at that list and the broken-overloaded lemmys running them and I can’t help but think this is why Reddit is successful and will continue to be successful. Because very, very few will put up with such a poor experience the alternatives offer. Of course, if there’s some serious effort put in asap into the usability, stability and overall experience of the decentralised communities approach, then Reddit may falter. I’m not optimistic.

fdgjgbdfhgb 3y ago
Tô be fair, Reddit had a long time to grow organically, it didn't just spawn with millions of users overnight - same for most subreddits. Still, users now expect an active community and a fast and reliable website right now, not in 10 years. Lemmy/Kbin/whatever is not going to _replace_ Reddit today, and I don't think they ever meant to replace it all at once... but maybe they can keep growing and eventually get there.

Gareth321 3y ago

This is great! There are obviously fewer users but I find myself preferring that.

ghoshbishakh 3y ago

I don't know how HN ranking works..but this link just moved to 2nd page.

btw0 3y ago
Dang just told that anything reddit related has been downweighted deliberately.

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codetrotter 3y ago

It’s a pretty short list at the moment. They should add the communities on my instance to the list. https://zapad.nstr.no/post/31 https://zapad.nstr.no/post/31 =.=.=.= Technology and Programming c/technology – General technology news and links c/rust – Links and discussions relevant for users of the Rust programming language c/coolgithubprojects – Links to projects on GitHub, Gitlab, sr.ht, Codeberg, or other git hosts. If you found a project on any git hosting site, that seems cool or otherwise useful then it belongs here, as long as it is open source c/programming – General links and discussions about the art and craft of programming c/space – Exploration of space c/machine_learning – AI & ML c/bitcoin – For news and discussions about Bitcoin technology. Price discussions are off–topic. No posting about ICO sales, NFT sales or other kinds of token or coin sales. c/ethereum – For news and discussions about Ethereum technology. Price discussions are off–topic. No posting about ICO sales, NFT sales or other kinds of token or coin sales. c/linux – News and discussions relating to the Linux kernel as well as about Linux distributions like Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Debian, Gentoo, etc c/freebsd – News and discussions relating to the FreeBSD Operating System c/retro_computing – Sinclair ZX Spectrum, BBC Micro, Commodore 64, Amiga 1000, etc, etc c/demoscene – All about the demoscene, an international computer art subculture focused on producing demos: self-contained, sometimes extremely small, computer programs that produce audiovisual presentations. The purpose of a demo is to show off programming, visual art, and musical skills. -.-.-.- Creativity and Entertainment c/music – Talk about bands, artists, albums and songs c/videos – Cartoons, entertaining videos, etc. c/music_production – For singers, songwriters, producers and other people who make music c/aiart – For pictures that you’ve made using OpenAI DALL-E, Midjourney, etc, as well as for news and discussions about such tools c/drawing – Resources and discussions about drawing. You are welcome to show off drawings you’ve made. Note that for pictures where AI has been used a separate community c/aiart exists. c/design -.-.-.- Sports and Lifestyle c/skateboarding c/travel – share experiences and pictures from your travels, ask questions about places you want to visit c/surfing c/sailing c/climbing c/skiing c/snowboarding -.-.-.- Society, Life and Law c/ipr – Intellectual Property Rights -.-.-.- Language specific communities c/spanish – English discussions and links about the Spanish language, as well as Spanish learning resources. Posts and comments written in Spanish are welcome as well. c/esperanto – English discussions and links about the Esperanto constructed language, as well as Esperanto learning resources. Posts and comments written in Esperanto are welcome as well. -.-.-.- Country specific communities c/mexico – English and Spanish discussions and links relating to visiting or staying in Mexico c/spain – English and Spanish discussions and links relating to visiting or staying in Spain c/norway – English and Norwegian discussions and links relating to visiting or staying in Norway -.-.-.- General c/pictures – Share photos and pictures you’ve made. Note that for pictures where AI has been used a separate community c/aiart exists. -.-.-.- Come have look and make an account. https://zapad.nstr.no/ https://zapad.nstr.no/

codetrotter 3y ago

> r/StarWars: Star Trek@startrek.website This is going to greatly upset fans of both Star Wars and Star Trek, heh!

shostack 3y ago

What do I need to do to get access to all this content on my Android phone in an easy to use single app experience?

mvdtnz 3y ago

Personally I'd prefer a subreddit to subreddit mapping. /r/newzealand is refusing to let you read or post? Go to /r/aotearoa. Can't talk about F1 in /r/formula1? Check out /r/f1 etc. I'm not interested in Lemmy or Mastodon or any of this stuff.

junon 3y ago
Then you've missed the entire point of "migrating".