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Happy May Day! Here's a Twitter thread [0] that has excerpts/paraphrases from an old Soviet pamphlet called "How Soviet Workers Spend Their Leisure." (rolled up

Happy May Day! Here's a Twitter thread [0] that has excerpts/paraphrases from an old Soviet pamphlet called "How Soviet Workers Spend Their Leisure." (rolled up version [1]) You can find a scanned version of the pamphlet here [2]. There were many of these pamphlets published. One day I will scan them and post them. There was one on Waterways & Transport in the USSR, one about Soviet theater, one about the food industry in the USSR, one about light industries of the USSR, and one about the countryside of past and present of the USSR. I think these were a series published in 1939. Article 119 of the Soviet Constitution: > ARTICLE 119. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to rest and leisure. > > The right to rest and leisure is ensured by the reduction of the working day to seven hours for the overwhelming majority of the workers, the institution of annual vacations with full pay for workers and employees and the provision of a wide network of sanatoria, rest homes and clubs for the accommodation of the working people. 'Sanatoria' being health/medical centers or hospitals. [0]: https://twitter.com/REVMAXXING/status/1594499770990608385 https://twitter.com/REVMAXXING/status/1594499770990608385 [1]: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1594499770990608385.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1594499770990608385.html [2]: https://digital.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/items/show/4595#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&xywh=-332%2C-1%2C1064%2C600 https://digital.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/items/show/4595#?c=...

ahelwer 3y ago
Prolonged periods of time spent without obligation to work for pay is one of the greatest luxuries you can have in this life. People shouldn't have to wait until retirement to enjoy it. Sabbatical, basically, although even sabbatical often comes with obligations for self-improvement serving the company offering it. A lot of discourse on working hours revolves around decreasing the hours worked per week. I would also like to see people talk about a right to take 6-12 months of unstructured leave after 3-4 years of service. Seems unrealistic? What is all this wealth and automation and productivity growth for, then?
- arsome 3y ago
  > What is all this wealth and automation and productivity growth for, then? Why, more wealth and automation and productivity growth to no end of course.
  - explorer83 3y ago
    I know all of these things sound nice. But in the real world a lot of businesses aren't making the kind of profit that allows workers to just take time off and not generate any revenue for the company. Sure there are some that could pull it off. But most small businesses aren't making that kind of profit. Unless you are assuming workers are supposed to take unpaid time off. But then how are they going to afford to take time off?
    - hkt 3y ago
      If your business can't pay its bills without forgoing its legal and moral responsibilities, it has failed.
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        If it can't for any reason, it's failed. The problem is the more things you pile on, the harder it gets. The main point of a business, and the main good it does, is not employing people. It's what goods or services it provides its customers, at a lower price. If you moralise and add more things for a business to do, the big ones will do some performative stuff and spend their vast marketing budgets on it, and the small ones will go under, and we all lose because we get less choice and higher prices.
      - explorer83 3y ago
        Not really. It could be a new business that is only a few years old and is still trying to grow and become the type of business can afford these. Or an established business that lost a major client. Your viewpoint is really limited.
    - ivan_gammel 3y ago
      Most of the world has statutory minimum of vacation days that also applies to small businesses, and somehow those businesses manage to survive. They just include it in their business model and market finds new equilibrium.
      - 3y ago
- californical 3y ago
  This is an interesting idea — there could be a sabbatical accrual of sorts. One way this could realistically work today (with a lot of kicking and screaming about how it’ll ruin the economy) is each year of work earns a month of sabbatical, and once you’ve earned at least 2 months you can exercise your sabbatical rights, given some notice. Companies could cap it at 6 months at a time so you don’t completely lose track of changes at work. We could even make up to 2 months transferable between companies, and if you’re ever fired you can choose how or if you’d like to be paid out. That would help discourage retaliation against using the time, in addition to making it illegal. I don’t see a reason that we couldn’t pass a law tomorrow that does this. Sure the economy would slow a bit, but what a giant quality-of-life gain it would be. And maybe it would actually make the economy grow faster in the long term if it encourages more private innovation. But we already accept this idea for parental leave, this would be the same thing without the need for having a baby.
  - ejb999 3y ago
    >>I don’t see a reason that we couldn’t pass a law tomorrow that does this. Why do we need for a law to be passed? There are so many people seemingly in favor of this, why don't they just band together and start a company and then pay people to take 6 month vacations?
    - yamtaddle 3y ago
      It's fairly common for a majority—even a large majority—of people to want something, but to be unable to make it happen without a law. Coordination problems are real, and they are everywhere. And that's just at a basic game-theory level—quirks or dysfunctions of political systems can make passing a law extremely difficult, too, even given super-majority voter support.
    - ahelwer 3y ago
      I know you're asking this question in bad faith because you posted the same thing elsewhere in the thread, but the answer here is because they will be outcompeted by companies that don't offer that policy. In much the same way, businesses that use child labor will outcompete those that do not. Of course a great many people are against child labor, but you don't see people telling them to go start their own company that doesn't use child labor if they're so against it.
- ghaff 3y ago
  Personally in my career I would have much preferred sabbaticals to a reduced work week. I think most companies would find sabbaticals hard to retrofit though. You either screw the people who have a long tenure with the company or you suddenly have an unsustainable number of people who are now eligible for a sabbatical all at the same time.
- lawrenci 3y ago
  This would not only provide a break from work but also offer opportunities for personal growth and exploration. This could reduce the career growth penalty for mothers. Companies may be hesitant to hire or promote women to leadership positions, fearing that they will take significant time off for childbirth. However, if taking sabbaticals every few years becomes normalized, women wouldn't be viewed as a special liability for taking leave around childbirth. Furthermore, during these sabbatical periods, there could be programs created for potential career switchers to try out new jobs. These internships could provide workers with opportunities to explore different fields and find work that aligns with their skills and interests. This could ultimately benefit the economy as a whole by increasing job satisfaction and promoting a better match between workers and their jobs.
- maerF0x0 3y ago
  > People shouldn't have to wait until retirement to enjoy it. Also people should not pursue a strategy that concentrates ALL their enjoyment until retirement. It's a high variance strategy with IMO low EROI . My bias is because my father died in his 40s and my step father in his late 50s.. Both never saw a day of retirement despite saving for it. I highly recommend a patterned approach to life enjoyment, yes this is highly privileged and I hope it will be universal one day. Here's my strategy now that I'm financially stable: I do something special, scaled to the time available, where they overlap I intersect them (ie, use the one weekend to build the one week) * One weekend a month have a special plans * One week a half disconnect, could be travel or camping, or staycation where you just chill and do stuff you love only * Two weeks once a year - take an adventure, or a deep disconnect according to needs * One month every 5yrs - Do something big that stretches you. Backpack foreign countries, or disconnect and focus on intensively learning a skill you intended to also practice going forward * One quarter every 10 - Sabbatical (Sabbath) . Let your body and mind reset. Only do healthy and restorative things, celebrate every win you can remember, the only work you do should be investing in others, and do it at < 50% your capacity. YMMV
  - ahelwer 3y ago
    I'm happy you've boiled your recharging needs down to a science but none of this compares with long contiguous periods of unstructured time you can choose to use as you wish. Three months off every decade? Really?
    - yamtaddle 3y ago
      Nb the described plan is luxurious by US standards.
      - wing-_-nuts 3y ago
        I have ~ 15y of experience and I have a grand total of 3 weeks PTO. My father, at my age had 5 whole weeks and doesn't understand why I don't take big trips more. Despite the trend in 'unlimited vacation', I feel it's only getting worse.
- systems_glitch 3y ago
  Hey if they let people work less because the machines do it, they might figure out we're "dangerously" close to post-scarcity in a lot of fields. Gandhi figured that out a long time ago and talked about it, it's why the only machine he liked was the sewing machine.
  - nradov 3y ago
    The things that people really covet will always be scarce no matter how much machinery we have. There will never be "post-scarcity", it's just a silly concept.
    - systems_glitch 3y ago
      Indeed, that's why I said, "in a lot of fields."
- nradov 3y ago
  If you don't want to work for a year then just quit your job and then get a new job later. But it's ridiculous and unrealistic to think that an employer should hold your job open for a year. How are they supposed to get work done during that period, hire a temporary employee and then lay them off when you decide to return? If you want that lifestyle then just become an independent consultant rather than an employee. I know a married couple who does that. They work for a while to save up enough money, then take off and sail their boat around until they run low on money and have to find new consulting gigs.
  - ahelwer 3y ago
    If you aren't careful you'll find yourself making an argument against maternity leave, like you just did.
    - granshaw 3y ago
      Anyone who ever wants to make an argument against maternity or even paternity leave just needs to experience a kid of their own. Seriously
- drdaeman 3y ago
  Just a quick reminder that while paid time off was mandatory, working was also mandatory in the Soviet Union. One couldn’t just go on a sabbatical, that’d be a crime there. > Those who refused to work, study or serve in another way risked being criminally charged with social parasitism (Russian: тунеядство) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_parasitism_(offense) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_parasitism_(offense)
uristohkrat 3y ago
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- ahelwer 3y ago
  We do have that, it's called the global south under neocolonialism.
  - TheGigaChad 3y ago
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- onion2k 3y ago
  In a very literal sense, most countries and especially the USA, do have that pool of labor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex#Prison_labor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_comp...
  - HideousKojima 3y ago
    Prison labor != Political prisoner labor
    - benmanns 3y ago
      To some extent, the war on drugs is a war on minorities is a political war on the left.
      - Forbo 3y ago
        The down voting of the parent is wholly unjustified. This is a factual reality that has already taken place and continues on to this day. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
HideousKojima 3y ago
Sounds similar to how the Chinese constitution guarantees the right to freedom of speech.
vondur 3y ago
Did the Soviet government actually follow the Constitution of The USSR? I believe it also mentioned freedom of expression, freedom of religion and freedom of assembly, all of which seemed to be ignored.
- 0xDEF 3y ago
  >Did the Soviet government actually follow the Constitution of The USSR The Soviet Union did allow some internal dissent and freedom of speech from 1985 to 1991. That might have accelerated its downfall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasnost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasnost
  - sidewndr46 3y ago
    I seem to remember a similar thing happening under Mao for a brief period of time, followed by a near total crackdown on anyone who had decided to speak up.
- flowerbreeze 3y ago
  I think more accurate would be to say it allowed freedom from expression, freedom from religion and freedom from assembly. Unless in the service of the communist party of course.
  - lb1lf 3y ago
    A former colleague of mine, born and raised in the USSR, liked to quip that there was only one minor difference in the way freedom of expression was implemented in the USSR and in the West. Both places guaranteed the freedom to express oneself, but only the West guaranteed your freedom also after you'd expressed yourself.
    - lovecg 3y ago
      “In America we have freedoms. I can stand in front of the White House and shout, ‘President Truman is a moron!’” “Big deal, it’s the same here. I can also stand in the middle of the Red Square and shout ‘President Truman is a moron’”.
martythemaniak 3y ago
As always, the gap between reality and propaganda is hilarious. Soviet workers and their colonized subjects spent their leisure time filling in for the massive failures of the state to provide anything resembling their promises. Some excerpts from my childhood: * Family outing to the fields to harvest carrots to pickle for the winter. This would be bartered with other families who went to harvest other veggies, so that your turshia would not be too monotonous. * Going to my friend's apartment to roasting and canning peppers, because no one has to money to buy the factory made stuff. And if you did, you still wouldn't want such poor quality. * Helping my dad unload window frames for firewood. He worked at a window factory and was able to redirect a small truck full of finished wooden frames, which we could break down and burn for heat over the winter. Sure, it would have made more sense to buy actual firewood or coal rather than steal finished industrial output, but you can't afford that on a regular salary. And it would have made even more sense to offer district heating, and the government had such plans, but you'd freeze long before this became a reality. Eventually we did get district heating - about 6 years after communism fell.
- t-3 3y ago
  Not exactly different from my parents experiences growing up in the US, where "summer vacation" was a trip to uncle's farm to detassel corn or pick cotton, hunting to get meat, etc.
  - wing-_-nuts 3y ago
    Yep, all of my vacations growing up were either hunting or fishing trips. While getting out in nature is nice, when you take your kids out on a boat for 10h / day because you haven't caught enough fish it very quickly stops feeling like a vacation and more like work.
- lawrenci 3y ago
  These examples highlight the deficiencies of the Soviet economy, and it's evident that such failures caused considerable suffering among the population. Nevertheless, given more time to engage in activities akin to the first two examples, and separated from the threat of malnourishment, I believe I would experience greater happiness and a stronger connection to both my food and community. Through shared struggle, bartering, and communal work, we can create a sense of connection that is absent from the isolation brought about by specialization, which, although more economically efficient, also contributes to the social problems present in western society.
lp0_on_fire 3y ago
the Soviet citizen also had “freedom of expression” and the right to freedom of speech and to redress the government. That this farce of a “constitution” is being quoted without irony on hacker news astounds me.
andrewmutz 3y ago
I clicked through to the twitter account that posted the tweetthread and it does not seem like the most reliable source of information.
- clnq 3y ago
  The information presented by the quote and JSTOR is accurate, at least insofar as it reveals that a significant number of individuals in USSR went on either tourist tours or sanatoria each year for rejuvenation. In the 90s, state sanatoria maintained their popularity in post-Soviet countries. To this day, travel agencies in some of these nations primarily focus on two types of journeys: relaxation and "learning" holidays. This deeply ingrained cultural practice persists throughout the region. I don't know how many and which groups of people went on annual holidays in the USSR, but I know it wasn't an insignificant number from what I've observed living there as a kid.

ahelwer 3y ago

Prolonged periods of time spent without obligation to work for pay is one of the greatest luxuries you can have in this life. People shouldn't have to wait until retirement to enjoy it. Sabbatical, basically, although even sabbatical often comes with obligations for self-improvement serving the company offering it. A lot of discourse on working hours revolves around decreasing the hours worked per week. I would also like to see people talk about a right to take 6-12 months of unstructured leave after 3-4 years of service. Seems unrealistic? What is all this wealth and automation and productivity growth for, then?

arsome 3y ago
> What is all this wealth and automation and productivity growth for, then? Why, more wealth and automation and productivity growth to no end of course.
- explorer83 3y ago
  I know all of these things sound nice. But in the real world a lot of businesses aren't making the kind of profit that allows workers to just take time off and not generate any revenue for the company. Sure there are some that could pull it off. But most small businesses aren't making that kind of profit. Unless you are assuming workers are supposed to take unpaid time off. But then how are they going to afford to take time off?
  - hkt 3y ago
    If your business can't pay its bills without forgoing its legal and moral responsibilities, it has failed.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      If it can't for any reason, it's failed. The problem is the more things you pile on, the harder it gets. The main point of a business, and the main good it does, is not employing people. It's what goods or services it provides its customers, at a lower price. If you moralise and add more things for a business to do, the big ones will do some performative stuff and spend their vast marketing budgets on it, and the small ones will go under, and we all lose because we get less choice and higher prices.
    - explorer83 3y ago
      Not really. It could be a new business that is only a few years old and is still trying to grow and become the type of business can afford these. Or an established business that lost a major client. Your viewpoint is really limited.
  - ivan_gammel 3y ago
    Most of the world has statutory minimum of vacation days that also applies to small businesses, and somehow those businesses manage to survive. They just include it in their business model and market finds new equilibrium.
    - 3y ago
californical 3y ago
This is an interesting idea — there could be a sabbatical accrual of sorts. One way this could realistically work today (with a lot of kicking and screaming about how it’ll ruin the economy) is each year of work earns a month of sabbatical, and once you’ve earned at least 2 months you can exercise your sabbatical rights, given some notice. Companies could cap it at 6 months at a time so you don’t completely lose track of changes at work. We could even make up to 2 months transferable between companies, and if you’re ever fired you can choose how or if you’d like to be paid out. That would help discourage retaliation against using the time, in addition to making it illegal. I don’t see a reason that we couldn’t pass a law tomorrow that does this. Sure the economy would slow a bit, but what a giant quality-of-life gain it would be. And maybe it would actually make the economy grow faster in the long term if it encourages more private innovation. But we already accept this idea for parental leave, this would be the same thing without the need for having a baby.
- ejb999 3y ago
  >>I don’t see a reason that we couldn’t pass a law tomorrow that does this. Why do we need for a law to be passed? There are so many people seemingly in favor of this, why don't they just band together and start a company and then pay people to take 6 month vacations?
  - yamtaddle 3y ago
    It's fairly common for a majority—even a large majority—of people to want something, but to be unable to make it happen without a law. Coordination problems are real, and they are everywhere. And that's just at a basic game-theory level—quirks or dysfunctions of political systems can make passing a law extremely difficult, too, even given super-majority voter support.
  - ahelwer 3y ago
    I know you're asking this question in bad faith because you posted the same thing elsewhere in the thread, but the answer here is because they will be outcompeted by companies that don't offer that policy. In much the same way, businesses that use child labor will outcompete those that do not. Of course a great many people are against child labor, but you don't see people telling them to go start their own company that doesn't use child labor if they're so against it.
ghaff 3y ago
Personally in my career I would have much preferred sabbaticals to a reduced work week. I think most companies would find sabbaticals hard to retrofit though. You either screw the people who have a long tenure with the company or you suddenly have an unsustainable number of people who are now eligible for a sabbatical all at the same time.
lawrenci 3y ago
This would not only provide a break from work but also offer opportunities for personal growth and exploration. This could reduce the career growth penalty for mothers. Companies may be hesitant to hire or promote women to leadership positions, fearing that they will take significant time off for childbirth. However, if taking sabbaticals every few years becomes normalized, women wouldn't be viewed as a special liability for taking leave around childbirth. Furthermore, during these sabbatical periods, there could be programs created for potential career switchers to try out new jobs. These internships could provide workers with opportunities to explore different fields and find work that aligns with their skills and interests. This could ultimately benefit the economy as a whole by increasing job satisfaction and promoting a better match between workers and their jobs.
maerF0x0 3y ago
> People shouldn't have to wait until retirement to enjoy it. Also people should not pursue a strategy that concentrates ALL their enjoyment until retirement. It's a high variance strategy with IMO low EROI . My bias is because my father died in his 40s and my step father in his late 50s.. Both never saw a day of retirement despite saving for it. I highly recommend a patterned approach to life enjoyment, yes this is highly privileged and I hope it will be universal one day. Here's my strategy now that I'm financially stable: I do something special, scaled to the time available, where they overlap I intersect them (ie, use the one weekend to build the one week) * One weekend a month have a special plans * One week a half disconnect, could be travel or camping, or staycation where you just chill and do stuff you love only * Two weeks once a year - take an adventure, or a deep disconnect according to needs * One month every 5yrs - Do something big that stretches you. Backpack foreign countries, or disconnect and focus on intensively learning a skill you intended to also practice going forward * One quarter every 10 - Sabbatical (Sabbath) . Let your body and mind reset. Only do healthy and restorative things, celebrate every win you can remember, the only work you do should be investing in others, and do it at < 50% your capacity. YMMV
- ahelwer 3y ago
  I'm happy you've boiled your recharging needs down to a science but none of this compares with long contiguous periods of unstructured time you can choose to use as you wish. Three months off every decade? Really?
  - yamtaddle 3y ago
    Nb the described plan is luxurious by US standards.
    - wing-_-nuts 3y ago
      I have ~ 15y of experience and I have a grand total of 3 weeks PTO. My father, at my age had 5 whole weeks and doesn't understand why I don't take big trips more. Despite the trend in 'unlimited vacation', I feel it's only getting worse.
systems_glitch 3y ago
Hey if they let people work less because the machines do it, they might figure out we're "dangerously" close to post-scarcity in a lot of fields. Gandhi figured that out a long time ago and talked about it, it's why the only machine he liked was the sewing machine.
- nradov 3y ago
  The things that people really covet will always be scarce no matter how much machinery we have. There will never be "post-scarcity", it's just a silly concept.
  - systems_glitch 3y ago
    Indeed, that's why I said, "in a lot of fields."
nradov 3y ago
If you don't want to work for a year then just quit your job and then get a new job later. But it's ridiculous and unrealistic to think that an employer should hold your job open for a year. How are they supposed to get work done during that period, hire a temporary employee and then lay them off when you decide to return? If you want that lifestyle then just become an independent consultant rather than an employee. I know a married couple who does that. They work for a while to save up enough money, then take off and sail their boat around until they run low on money and have to find new consulting gigs.
- ahelwer 3y ago
  If you aren't careful you'll find yourself making an argument against maternity leave, like you just did.
  - granshaw 3y ago
    Anyone who ever wants to make an argument against maternity or even paternity leave just needs to experience a kid of their own. Seriously
drdaeman 3y ago
Just a quick reminder that while paid time off was mandatory, working was also mandatory in the Soviet Union. One couldn’t just go on a sabbatical, that’d be a crime there. > Those who refused to work, study or serve in another way risked being criminally charged with social parasitism (Russian: тунеядство) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_parasitism_(offense) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_parasitism_(offense)

uristohkrat 3y ago

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ahelwer 3y ago
We do have that, it's called the global south under neocolonialism.
- TheGigaChad 3y ago
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onion2k 3y ago
In a very literal sense, most countries and especially the USA, do have that pool of labor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex#Prison_labor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_comp...
- HideousKojima 3y ago
  Prison labor != Political prisoner labor
  - benmanns 3y ago
    To some extent, the war on drugs is a war on minorities is a political war on the left.
    - Forbo 3y ago
      The down voting of the parent is wholly unjustified. This is a factual reality that has already taken place and continues on to this day. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

HideousKojima 3y ago

Sounds similar to how the Chinese constitution guarantees the right to freedom of speech.

vondur 3y ago

Did the Soviet government actually follow the Constitution of The USSR? I believe it also mentioned freedom of expression, freedom of religion and freedom of assembly, all of which seemed to be ignored.

0xDEF 3y ago
>Did the Soviet government actually follow the Constitution of The USSR The Soviet Union did allow some internal dissent and freedom of speech from 1985 to 1991. That might have accelerated its downfall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasnost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasnost
- sidewndr46 3y ago
  I seem to remember a similar thing happening under Mao for a brief period of time, followed by a near total crackdown on anyone who had decided to speak up.
flowerbreeze 3y ago
I think more accurate would be to say it allowed freedom from expression, freedom from religion and freedom from assembly. Unless in the service of the communist party of course.
- lb1lf 3y ago
  A former colleague of mine, born and raised in the USSR, liked to quip that there was only one minor difference in the way freedom of expression was implemented in the USSR and in the West. Both places guaranteed the freedom to express oneself, but only the West guaranteed your freedom also after you'd expressed yourself.
  - lovecg 3y ago
    “In America we have freedoms. I can stand in front of the White House and shout, ‘President Truman is a moron!’” “Big deal, it’s the same here. I can also stand in the middle of the Red Square and shout ‘President Truman is a moron’”.

martythemaniak 3y ago

As always, the gap between reality and propaganda is hilarious. Soviet workers and their colonized subjects spent their leisure time filling in for the massive failures of the state to provide anything resembling their promises. Some excerpts from my childhood: * Family outing to the fields to harvest carrots to pickle for the winter. This would be bartered with other families who went to harvest other veggies, so that your turshia would not be too monotonous. * Going to my friend's apartment to roasting and canning peppers, because no one has to money to buy the factory made stuff. And if you did, you still wouldn't want such poor quality. * Helping my dad unload window frames for firewood. He worked at a window factory and was able to redirect a small truck full of finished wooden frames, which we could break down and burn for heat over the winter. Sure, it would have made more sense to buy actual firewood or coal rather than steal finished industrial output, but you can't afford that on a regular salary. And it would have made even more sense to offer district heating, and the government had such plans, but you'd freeze long before this became a reality. Eventually we did get district heating - about 6 years after communism fell.

t-3 3y ago
Not exactly different from my parents experiences growing up in the US, where "summer vacation" was a trip to uncle's farm to detassel corn or pick cotton, hunting to get meat, etc.
- wing-_-nuts 3y ago
  Yep, all of my vacations growing up were either hunting or fishing trips. While getting out in nature is nice, when you take your kids out on a boat for 10h / day because you haven't caught enough fish it very quickly stops feeling like a vacation and more like work.
lawrenci 3y ago
These examples highlight the deficiencies of the Soviet economy, and it's evident that such failures caused considerable suffering among the population. Nevertheless, given more time to engage in activities akin to the first two examples, and separated from the threat of malnourishment, I believe I would experience greater happiness and a stronger connection to both my food and community. Through shared struggle, bartering, and communal work, we can create a sense of connection that is absent from the isolation brought about by specialization, which, although more economically efficient, also contributes to the social problems present in western society.

lp0_on_fire 3y ago

the Soviet citizen also had “freedom of expression” and the right to freedom of speech and to redress the government. That this farce of a “constitution” is being quoted without irony on hacker news astounds me.

andrewmutz 3y ago

I clicked through to the twitter account that posted the tweetthread and it does not seem like the most reliable source of information.

clnq 3y ago
The information presented by the quote and JSTOR is accurate, at least insofar as it reveals that a significant number of individuals in USSR went on either tourist tours or sanatoria each year for rejuvenation. In the 90s, state sanatoria maintained their popularity in post-Soviet countries. To this day, travel agencies in some of these nations primarily focus on two types of journeys: relaxation and "learning" holidays. This deeply ingrained cultural practice persists throughout the region. I don't know how many and which groups of people went on annual holidays in the USSR, but I know it wasn't an insignificant number from what I've observed living there as a kid.