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Why India should continue to invest in space technology? Odisha cyclone in 1999: 10,000 dead. Odisha cyclone of similar intensity in 2019: < 50 dead because IS
by db1234 3y ago
Why India should continue to invest in space technology?
Odisha cyclone in 1999: 10,000 dead.
Odisha cyclone of similar intensity in 2019: < 50 dead because ISRO was better equipped to track the cyclone path giving enough time for Govt to evacuate people to safety.
Ignore the ignorant including "liberal", "progressive" publications like NYT which publish racist cartoons on Indian space program.
- elkos 3y agoAnd ISRO has a very very competitive polar low earth orbit commercial ride-sharing program.
- galuggus 3y agoCould you link an example of this kind of cartoon? edit: here's a link https://archive.is/g0msl https://archive.is/g0msl Shocking that the NYT published something like this
- sumedh 3y agoWhat is shocking/offensive about that?
- unmole 3y agoIn response to a successful mission to Mars, the cartoonist decided to reach for a lazy stereotype of a farmer dragging his cow along.
- ergonaught 3y agoThe entire cartoon uses exaggerated stereotypes to make a point. If you think the depiction of the snobbish elite is okay, you're just falling into the "it's only racism if I don't like it" nonsense.
- unmole 3y agoI don't think the cartoon is racist or offensive. I was trying to explain why some people found it distasteful. And stereotyping someone as elite is surely not the same thing as stereotyping someone as poor?
- delta_p_delta_x 3y agoTo add some nuance, I think the cartoon goes both ways, but unintentionally managed to offend Indian sensibilities by portraying them that way. I think one way to look at it is... The underdog Indians managing to rub shoulders with the likes of NASA and ESA at a fraction of the latter's budget, which isn't wrong. ISRO's missions are typically about two orders of magnitude cheaper than NASA's, while still being very productive. Somehow threads about India just devolve into ridiculous mudslinging like no other. White people clinging to tired old stereotypes. Indians are half to blame too, being over-sensitive and oddly conservative.
- unmole 3y ago> Somehow threads about India just devolve into ridiculous mudslinging like no other. White people clinging to tired old stereotypes. Indians are half to blame too, being over-sensitive and oddly conservative. There is an additional factor. Anglophone internet tends to be dominated by Americans. So, discussions about say Denmark don't get too heated because there aren't too many Danes participating.
- ngc248 3y ago>>> I think one way to look at it is... The underdog Indians managing to rub shoulders with the likes of NASA and ESA at a fraction of the latter's budget, How are you getting this through the cartoon? All the cartoon shows is a poor asking for permission to get into an elite club
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- sumedh 3y agoYou are mistaken it's not a lazy stereotype, the cartoonist has done his/her research. India has literally used cows for testing its initial satellites. https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behind-the-bullock-cart-in-india-s-space-story-1563854708300.html https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behin...
- shreyshnaccount 3y agothey are not mutually exclusive
- rhaway84773 3y agoIt’s a lazy and bad cartoon using lazy and tired stereotypes. It’s not racist or any of the rest of the stuff. Not all cartoons will be good.
- pellucide 3y agoIf you have to ask...
- sumedh 3y ago... then you did not understand the humour.
- shreyshnaccount 3y agothe bias. if nasa managed such a mission, it would be glorious and efficient and smart and clever. when India does it, it's somehow "budget".
- sumedh 3y agoI think you missed the humor.
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- alephnerd 3y agoI'm Desi American and honestly, HN commentators from both India and the US need to stop being little bitches. It's made HN go to shit. Boomer American HN commentators - stop being so god damn racist about South Asians. Caste and poverty doesn't define us. Millenial+Uncle Indian HN commentators - stop using the "school shooting" trope and ultranationalism. Y'all are basically acting like Wumao. Bring on the downvotes. I'm so sick of all the bullshit on this site
- delta_p_delta_x 3y agoSimilar NRI demographic, although I'm on the other side of the planet, and yeah, this thread is just... Bad. The people defending ISRO aren't doing a good job of it or aren't doing it in good faith, resorting to name-calling and ad-hominems.
- alephnerd 3y agoYea. That's the internet in a nutshell. On a separate note, it honestly sucks how HN has legitimately gone to shit. A lot of old timers are basically boiled frogs and don't realize how alienated most other techies are by HN. @Dang, ik I've harped about this a thousand times (and I myself have contributed) but y'all legitimately need to fix the toxicity on this board. Lots of early career techies don't want to be associated or go on HN. I've heard this sentiment across the board from early career interns and friends of mine at Cal, MIT, UIUC, UMich, UW, IIT D/K/M, and Harvard - all feeder programs to YC People will still apply to YC of course, but the brand has been increasingly tainted. I know for a fact in India Sequoia Surge gets the pick of the litter over YC.
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- geodel 3y agoSo instead of anything useful to say about technology being developed by ISRO. You come up with this random rant. I guess I just ignore the ignorant, including "deeply insecure" and raging about minor criticism.
- celticninja 3y agoSo you think they possibly saved 9950 lives, yet a vastly greater number live in poverty and a huge proportion of them are children with no access to healthcare and education, many of them begging in the streets. But yes let's give India a round of applause for finding a minor benefit to their $2bn spending on space exploration (also ignoring the fact that they are not really achieving new science that is not or could not be done by more developed nations).
- paper2d 3y agoWhat? There are literally hundreds of other uses of our space program which if we hadn't developed independently, we would be paying exorbitant prices to other nations for the same. Launching rockets costs us literally 10x lower cost than other nations. This thing doesn't benefit Indians only but other nations as well.
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- angelgonzales 3y agoI’m sure that India used its own observation satellites to predict weather patterns and storms but western weather observation satellites monitor the whole Earth and share the information. Not every country should (or can) have its own national weather satellite installation. https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/current-satellite-missions/currently-flying https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/current-satellite-missions/curre...
- kumarvvr 3y agoBuilding a capability to predict weather patterns, implies, development of a slew of technologies, building an infrastructure to produce engineers and scientists, leasing out of those technologies to startups and other engineering enterprises to make better use of them. Its not about just using the data.
- fooker 3y agoIf a country becomes dependent on information (or anything really) like that, it becomes a bargaining tool for geopolitics. The US, in particular is notorious about weaponizing sanctions.
- rhaway84773 3y agoI’m not sure how you can “weaponize sanctions” considering sanctions are universally considered economic weapons by themselves.
- anaganisk 3y agoUs govt cut access to GPS during Indo Pak war.
- programmer_dude 3y agoThe predictions made by your (US) meteorological department were wrong. Many would have died if we relied on you. Our meteorological department does better when it comes to local weather.