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Unidentified Halo, an anti-surveillance wearable project
- jonas-w 4y agoRelated to the current top story: The Camera-Shy Hoodie - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34958153 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34958153
- steponlego 4y agoGait detection makes these tricks useless.
- alvah 4y agoI believe the protesters in Hong Kong in 2019 found ways to defeat gait detection.
- steponlego 4y ago[flagged]
- dylan604 4y agobut who paid for the bullets?
- TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y agoTheur families are billed.
- AustinDev 4y agoUsed the trick from the old CIA handbook, put a small, not too sharp, rock in your shoe.
- flangola7 4y agoAngle grinders truly are the gift that keeps on giving
- OkayPhysicist 4y agoLast I tried, trench coats or long skirts were enough to thwart gait ID stuff.
- steponlego 4y agothat can be modeled, bet you can tell where the pebble is with a newish model
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- LilBytes 4y agoEveryone should adopt the Sandwalk from Dune fame.
- speed_spread 4y agoNeed secure PRNG for cryptowalk harness.
- glenneroo 4y agoSo... everyone has to carry a lavalamp in a backpack?
- steponlego 4y agoWe all need cardboard boxes as we learned from Snake.
- dylan604 4y agofor impromptu breakin' sessions?
- steponlego 4y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPmd9pZKTxE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPmd9pZKTxE
- anigbrowl 4y agoCounterpoint: it does not There's just as much evidence for my argument as for yours. I'm really sick of people going 'heh, gait analysis' in place of an argument. It doesn't work under many conditions, and the science behind it is not exactly rock solid.
- steponlego 4y agoGPT post?
- walterbell 4y agoSaid the fly (karma:158, age:75d) to the spider (karma:78244, age:5000d).
- steponlego 4y agoWhoa - that's a heck'in LOT of updoots. I actually kill my accounts after a couple months on every service and start over with a new nym. I don't want the (increasingly automated) cyber stalkers to have an easy time of it. Old cypherpunk trick from the 1990s.
- walterbell 4y agoFor the young'uns in the audience, is there a good primer on defense against cyberstalkingbots?
- 4gotunameagain 4y agoYou need to kill your accounts after a couple months on every service and start over with a new nym. Haven't been cyberly stalked by a bot since the 90s
- walterbell 4y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33757333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33757333
- squarefoot 4y agoGait detection is very easy to fool, here's an instructional video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNeeovY4qNU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNeeovY4qNU
- StanislavPetrov 4y agoIt much easier to defeat gait detection than it is facial recognition. A pebble to put inside your shoe is very cheap.
- Gortal278 4y agoPut a rock in your shoe to get around it
- imwillofficial 4y agoThis is already obsolete. Stupid, because it gives people a false sense of how this stuff actually works in the real world. Anti-knowledge if you will. We sadly live in an age where we must be careful what we put out there.
- doesnt_know 4y agoIt clearly states it's a project from 2016, that's 6 years ago. The IP test video was also uploaded in 2016. People are allowed to keep their own past projects up on their personal websites.
- imwillofficial 4y agoThat’s a good detail I didn’t notice. I hereby detract my criticism.
- noworld 4y agoThis version is free: https://youtu.be/5rdXvtdSIF8 https://youtu.be/5rdXvtdSIF8
- AbusiveHNAdmin 4y ago[dead]
- Animats 4y agoSimilar approaches for license plate concealment aren't working out. Newer systems flag vehicles without plates for additional attention. Some recognize make, model, color, accessories, etc.[1][2] [1] https://platerecognizer.com/alpr-for-vehicles-without-license-plates/ https://platerecognizer.com/alpr-for-vehicles-without-licens... [2] https://www.dahuasecurity.com/asset/upload/uploads/soft/20211008/DHI-ITC415-PW6M-IZ-BH_Datasheet_20210625.pdf https://www.dahuasecurity.com/asset/upload/uploads/soft/2021...
- mattnewton 4y agoPlaying devil’s advocate, wouldn’t sufficient adoption making additional attention expensive solve this problem here?
- deet 4y agoOr sufficient adoption will make governments adopt a quite cheap (and even potentially profitable) solution: make obfuscation through such means illegal and subject to fine. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if a liberal reading of existing laws in many US states might over this already.
- lolinder 4y agoYep. It's similar to people who count on crypto to solve government interference in finance. You can't solve a culture of pervasive government surveillance by inventing new tech, because that tech will just be outlawed or regulated to death (see the UK online safety bill). You have to change the culture that makes governments think they have the right to see everything.
- trieste92 4y ago> You can't solve a culture of pervasive government surveillance by inventing new tech, because that tech will just be outlawed or regulated to death I call bs. New regulation moves slower that the rate at which people can find workarounds
- ChainOfFools 4y agoSo I guess the world is going to turn into a Renaissance Venice, but with masks made out of retro reflector makeup and IR LED wearbles instead of papier mache and mystery.
- didericis 4y agoSpeakeasy bars in faraday cages that pulse you with an EMP at the door would be cool too. We could also just stop non consensual surveillance of everyone and everything. I prefer that option.
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- flangola7 4y agoEMP are easily repelled with faraday cages
- didericis 4y agoSecret speakeasies were easily revealed by speaking about them. I'm also joking, but only partially. It could be a fun gimmick. Check all your electronics in at the door, go through the doorway with an EMP zapper, and then enjoy a distraction free camera free evening. You get banned if you get caught sneaking in electronics and you might wreck your expensive phone, so why risk it.
- TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y agoSerenity did this. It was thwarted by a brainwashed child triggered by a Fruity Oaty Bar commercial.
- jwhiles 4y agoCan you share a link to this story/ something googleable? Sounds interesting
- washywashy 4y agoReminds me of gevulot in the quantum thief
- henriquez 4y agoUnfortunately thwarted with a cheapo IR filter
- kadoban 4y agoThat also thwarts the camera's nightvision.
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- yinser 4y agoThis is my friend! So crazy to lurk HN for years and then spot someone you know on here.
- dylan604 4y agoback when videoing theater screens for making bootlegs was rampant, we used to talk about installing IR LEDS in the projection screens to ruin the image of the camera's recording. nobody felt the expense was worth it, and the trend became obsolete when ripping blu-ray quality sources became easy
- hinkley 4y agoI wonder if there’s a shoe insert one could make that would poison gait analysis. Something in your shoe that gives you a different limp every so often. Lift your heal a little or put a lump under the ball of your foot.
- margalabargala 4y agoThis exists, we call it "gravel"
- Gigachad 4y agoI can imagine paranoid HN users filling their shoes with gravel to avoid big tech surveillance
- smilespray 4y ago"I'm (ow!) sticking it (oh!) to the (ow!) man!"
- hinkley 4y agoHolding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.
- doublerabbit 4y agoFor the more extreme option, lego bricks.
- hinkley 4y agoOr the nuclear option, power plugs.
- PennRobotics 4y agoThere are (medical) shoe attachments for modifying gait: https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/usf_patents/856/ https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/usf_patents/856/
- tempodox 4y agoI love the link arrows on this page.
- komali2 4y agoThis is really cool, but in countries with utterly pervasive surveillance (e.g. Taiwan), this wouldn't really stop someone with access to all the cameras (i.e., the government) from tracking down who you are. They'd just hop camera to camera (they're literally EVERYWHERE) until you used your train card, or got onto a vehicle you own, or walk into your house. What I'd be really interested in is an anti-surveillance device that utterly dazzles cameras so as to make it impossible to track camera to camera who you are / where you're going. Combine that with the occasional costume change and you've become extremely difficult to track.
- anigbrowl 4y agoWhat about just having fewer cameras
- walterbell 4y agoPaintball snipers.
- komali2 4y agoThe direct action solution to this may be exactly why some people are very interested in avoiding the cameras in the first place.
- TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y agoTest it in Great Britain?
- aww_dang 4y agoHere's a similar product in production: https://www.reflectacles.com/ https://www.reflectacles.com/
- _V_ 4y agoI don't know - kinda seems unwise to blast yourself with IR. You may not feel it immediately but I would certainly not rule out any long-ish term healt consequences.
- Zardoz84 4y agoIt's near red infrared. It's like saying that blasting red light to your face, will have health consequences.
- hypertele-Xii 4y agoApparently it does, positive ones! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34609625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34609625
- _V_ 4y agoYeah in "normal amounts" - basically what body expects from the sun. :) I have not calculated the power output of those LEDs, I merely pointed out the fact that I don't think healt consequences should be completely overlooked by just saying "meh, it's like red, no worries"...
- laci37 4y agoDoes your face feel warm, when the sun shines on it? Would it feel warm from a handful of low power IR LEDs? I doubt it. People underestimate the power of sunshine.
- _V_ 4y agoThat is simply not true. For example: There are, in fact, known risks to near-infrared radiation exposure. Erythema ab igne, for example, is a disorder characterized by a patchy discoloration of the skin and other clinical symptoms. It is caused by prolonged exposure to hearth fires, and it is an occupational hazard of glass blowers and bakers exposed to furnaces and hot ovens (e.g., Tsai and Hamblin 2017). It is not a risk to the general population, however, in that the irradiance is usually many times that of solar near-infrared irradiance.
- coremoff 4y agoisn't this very similar to the, quite venerable, https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle/ https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle/ ?