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You're confidently incorrect. If you weren't paying attention at the time, it's literally in the first sentence of the Wikipedia article. This isn't hard to che

You're confidently incorrect. If you weren't paying attention at the time, it's literally in the first sentence of the Wikipedia article. This isn't hard to check. "OS X" was the official name for five years, from 2011-2016. It wasn't short for anything. The "Mac" prefix had been officially removed from it for that time. This reminds me of when my grade school teacher kept trying to insist that my friend, named Alex, was actually named Alexander. I think he originally brought in a copy of his birth certificate to shut them up.

Wowfunhappy 4y ago
I disagree with Wikipedia's framing. There wasn't some sort of major rebrand in 2011, Apple just stopped writing "Mac" at the start of the name. Old-timers knew what it stood for. It's like how "Mac" is still short for "Macintosh", even though Apple basically never uses the full name anymore.
- TwiceCubed 4y ago
  They didn't "just stop writing it" in some contexts. They started registering trademarks that explicitly didn't include it, and then they went back. The trademark for "OS X" on its own was approved in November 2011, and then Apple started using it on its own. Their other trademark registrations (e.g. USPTO TM SN 86097345 OS X Mavericks) continued in that form, until their registration for "macOS" was approved and they changed back (e.g. USPTO TM SN 87534929 macOS High Sierra). You can have your etymology and your opinion, but as far as Apple and the government are concerned, the fact is that the official name was just "OS X". Wikipedia is correct, and this was also the understanding among Apple fans at the time.
- metadat 4y ago
  Thanks for the correction. Deleted.
  - htimsenyawed 4y ago
    macOS was originally Mac OS X and short referenced as OS X. The official name change from Mac OS X to macOS began with release 10.12 Sierra, the previous version was called Mac OS X 10.11 El Capitan. The transition to macOS from Mac OS X occurred in 2016 as that was the year that Sierra was announced and released.
    - Nition 4y ago
      I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as OS X, is in fact, Mac OS X, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, macOS.
    - panzi 4y ago
      Also, and I'm not sure if I remember that correctly, I think during "Mac OS X" times they said it is pronounced as "mac OS ten", because X is the roman numeral for 10. Wikipedia has references about it where Apple themselves even back then used either pronunciation, though. Also a reference that says while it stands for 10 it also references the X commonly found in many Unix things because of the Unix roots of Mac OS X.
    - einherjae 4y ago
      You’re missing the intermediate transition to “OS X”
  - hedgehog 4y ago
    Your memory is incorrect. The branding sequence was System (from before I remember up to 7.5) -> Mac OS (7.6 to 9) -> Mac OS X (10.0 to ??) -> OS X (??) -> macOS (starting after 2015). Edit: Sibling comment from htimsenyawed looks right to me.
- chungy 4y ago
  Apple made a pretty big deal about all the rebrands. From "System" (verions 1-7), to "Mac OS" (8 and 9), to "Mac OS X" (10.0-10.7), to "OS X" (10.8-10.12), to "macOS" (10.13+). It was clear that the OS wasn't thought of as a separate thing in the early days. The latest one looks like a typo.
  - amatecha 4y ago
    Indeed, you can see between 2011 and 2012 (for example) that Apple's PR site changed from calling it "Mac OS X" to simply calling it "OS X". 2011: https://web.archive.org/web/20111130104524/http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ https://web.archive.org/web/20111130104524/http://www.apple.... 2012: https://web.archive.org/web/20120222083925/http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ https://web.archive.org/web/20120222083925/http://www.apple.... Interestingly Lion was called "Mac OS X Lion" upon release[0], but then their website[1] called it "OS X Lion" predominantly. [0] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2011/07/20Mac-OS-X-Lion-Available-Today-From-the-Mac-App-Store/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2011/07/20Mac-OS-X-Lion-Avail... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20110705041542/http://www.apple.com/macosx/ https://web.archive.org/web/20110705041542/http://www.apple....
    - WatchDog 4y ago
      2012 link is the same as the 2011 link. Actual 2012 link: https://web.archive.org/web/20121207053101/http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ https://web.archive.org/web/20121207053101/http://www.apple....
      - amatecha 4y ago
        Woops, copy/paste struggles! Thanks, updated my 2012 link while I was still able to edit.
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ahoya 4y ago
A rare inverted confidentally incorrect, when someone claims (incorrectly and with great confidence) that someone else is confidently incorrect.
timeon 4y ago
> This reminds me of when my grade school teacher kept trying to insist that my friend, named Alex, was actually named Alexander. I think he originally brought in a copy of his birth certificate to shut them up. This is like telling someone who is called Louis that his actual name is Hlodowig.
arp242 4y ago
It was released as "Mac OS X", and then later shortened/rebranded to just "OS X". Unless you want to argue that the etymology of "OS X" is completely unrelated to "Mac OS X" and is merely coincidentally very similar, the statement "OS X was short for Mac OS X" is correct by all but the most pedantic definition.
- TwiceCubed 4y ago
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Wowfunhappy 4y ago

I disagree with Wikipedia's framing. There wasn't some sort of major rebrand in 2011, Apple just stopped writing "Mac" at the start of the name. Old-timers knew what it stood for. It's like how "Mac" is still short for "Macintosh", even though Apple basically never uses the full name anymore.

TwiceCubed 4y ago
They didn't "just stop writing it" in some contexts. They started registering trademarks that explicitly didn't include it, and then they went back. The trademark for "OS X" on its own was approved in November 2011, and then Apple started using it on its own. Their other trademark registrations (e.g. USPTO TM SN 86097345 OS X Mavericks) continued in that form, until their registration for "macOS" was approved and they changed back (e.g. USPTO TM SN 87534929 macOS High Sierra). You can have your etymology and your opinion, but as far as Apple and the government are concerned, the fact is that the official name was just "OS X". Wikipedia is correct, and this was also the understanding among Apple fans at the time.
metadat 4y ago
Thanks for the correction. Deleted.
- htimsenyawed 4y ago
  macOS was originally Mac OS X and short referenced as OS X. The official name change from Mac OS X to macOS began with release 10.12 Sierra, the previous version was called Mac OS X 10.11 El Capitan. The transition to macOS from Mac OS X occurred in 2016 as that was the year that Sierra was announced and released.
  - Nition 4y ago
    I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as OS X, is in fact, Mac OS X, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, macOS.
  - panzi 4y ago
    Also, and I'm not sure if I remember that correctly, I think during "Mac OS X" times they said it is pronounced as "mac OS ten", because X is the roman numeral for 10. Wikipedia has references about it where Apple themselves even back then used either pronunciation, though. Also a reference that says while it stands for 10 it also references the X commonly found in many Unix things because of the Unix roots of Mac OS X.
  - einherjae 4y ago
    You’re missing the intermediate transition to “OS X”
- hedgehog 4y ago
  Your memory is incorrect. The branding sequence was System (from before I remember up to 7.5) -> Mac OS (7.6 to 9) -> Mac OS X (10.0 to ??) -> OS X (??) -> macOS (starting after 2015). Edit: Sibling comment from htimsenyawed looks right to me.
chungy 4y ago
Apple made a pretty big deal about all the rebrands. From "System" (verions 1-7), to "Mac OS" (8 and 9), to "Mac OS X" (10.0-10.7), to "OS X" (10.8-10.12), to "macOS" (10.13+). It was clear that the OS wasn't thought of as a separate thing in the early days. The latest one looks like a typo.
- amatecha 4y ago
  Indeed, you can see between 2011 and 2012 (for example) that Apple's PR site changed from calling it "Mac OS X" to simply calling it "OS X". 2011: https://web.archive.org/web/20111130104524/http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ https://web.archive.org/web/20111130104524/http://www.apple.... 2012: https://web.archive.org/web/20120222083925/http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ https://web.archive.org/web/20120222083925/http://www.apple.... Interestingly Lion was called "Mac OS X Lion" upon release[0], but then their website[1] called it "OS X Lion" predominantly. [0] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2011/07/20Mac-OS-X-Lion-Available-Today-From-the-Mac-App-Store/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2011/07/20Mac-OS-X-Lion-Avail... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20110705041542/http://www.apple.com/macosx/ https://web.archive.org/web/20110705041542/http://www.apple....
  - WatchDog 4y ago
    2012 link is the same as the 2011 link. Actual 2012 link: https://web.archive.org/web/20121207053101/http://www.apple.com/pr/products/ https://web.archive.org/web/20121207053101/http://www.apple....
    - amatecha 4y ago
      Woops, copy/paste struggles! Thanks, updated my 2012 link while I was still able to edit.

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ahoya 4y ago

A rare inverted confidentally incorrect, when someone claims (incorrectly and with great confidence) that someone else is confidently incorrect.

timeon 4y ago

> This reminds me of when my grade school teacher kept trying to insist that my friend, named Alex, was actually named Alexander. I think he originally brought in a copy of his birth certificate to shut them up. This is like telling someone who is called Louis that his actual name is Hlodowig.

arp242 4y ago

It was released as "Mac OS X", and then later shortened/rebranded to just "OS X". Unless you want to argue that the etymology of "OS X" is completely unrelated to "Mac OS X" and is merely coincidentally very similar, the statement "OS X was short for Mac OS X" is correct by all but the most pedantic definition.

TwiceCubed 4y ago
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