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Elizabeth Holmes bought one-way ticket to Mexico after convicted of fraud
- 33955985 4y agoAs the article notes, US and Mex have bilateral extradition so it’s doubtful she intended to stay there to escape prison. She was likely going on to another country after that.
- jjulius 4y agoThe article further notes: >Holmes’ partner, William Evans, also bought a one-way ticket “and did not return until approximately six weeks later, returning from a different continent,” prosecutors said.
- chasil 4y agoWouldn't it be easier to charter a boat from Puerto Rico to Venezuela?
- notch656c 4y agoI am continually baffled just how utterly stupid these rich people are. Who in their right mind enters a flight manifest, let alone an international one, as a high profile wanted person.
- paulpauper 4y agothey got rich through connections, they are not genuinely smart. go figure.
- jjulius 4y ago>I am continually baffled just how utterly stupid these rich people are. Rich != Smart
- radicaldreamer 4y agoMaybe it's just a distraction for the real plan: off to Hong Kong on a cargo ship, through to Mexico in a car trunk, or simply living with an assumed identity after major plastic surgery. A decoy could take the trip to Mexico for you...
- prepend 4y agoFirst you go to Mexico. Then you go somewhere without extradition. Although if I had high resources and was fleeing justice, I probably wouldn’t buy a ticket ahead of time. If anything I would book some domestic travel to be on flight manifests.
- akiselev 4y agoThere really aren't that many places that won't extradite an American back to America. Like, North Korea and maybe Iran. All the other countries famous for not having extradition treaties with the US like Vietnam are happy to extradite on a case by case basis. There are plenty of countries that won't extradite their nationals as a matter of policy like China, Russia, Switzerland, Lebanon, and so on (it's most of the world, probably), but the vast majority won't bat an eye to throwing her back to the US based LEO wolves.
- trevyn 4y agoSomething I've always sort of wondered: If you live on a yacht in international waters, will the US Navy come and pick you up? For someone of Ms. Holmes' level of GTA stars.
- dylan604 4y agothat's similar to the people that tried to form a country on the deep sea platforms. a submarine launched torpedo would render the country no longer effective while completely invisible to any prying eyes. or a team of underwater welders cut the legs out from under it. again completely hidden from view. "I don't know what happened. One day it was there. The next it was gone!"
- ineedasername 4y agoWhat would Holmes’ GTA star level be? I mean, IRL in terms of absolute scale of crime maybe 2/5, but in-game it’s usually more violent activity only that gets stars. This needs further discussion, maybe with some consultation from Rockstar.
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- radicaldreamer 4y agoMexico City > Dubai on a very comfortable Emirates flight
- 33955985 4y agoA woman, all women, absolutely ought to have the right to choose when and if they become pregnant. Even women who are charged with crimes. But if you’re her child 12 or so years from now, what is it going to look like that you were conceived under such circumstances?
- Invictus0 4y agoThe same way it does now: as a pathetic ploy to secure a lighter sentence.
- wl 4y agoAn alternative explanation that's just as plausible: Faced with an 11 year federal prison sentence at age 38, she saw this as her last chance to have biological children.
- unsupp0rted 4y agoSelfish till the end
- tester756 4y agowell, shit happens, at least mommy's rich
- Waterluvian 4y agoMillions of children have worse realities, but without the money or connections or whatever Holmes might still have. We don’t like hearing about the children whose parents probably loved them but loved heroin more.
- 33955985 4y agoThe existence of parents addicted to heroin doesn’t make having another kid to get a lighter sentence any less fucked up, rich or poor
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- mariusmg 4y ago>I'm somewhat impressed Read "Bad Blood" then...
- sys32768 4y agoPro tip: Always buy a round-trip ticket when you plan to flee fraud. It looks better in court and in newspapers, and nobody will force you to take the trip back.
- paulpauper 4y agopro-tip 2: don't fly. everything is recorded pro-tip 3: book flight before federal investigation
- dylan604 4y agopro-tip 4: be a better criminal and avoid federal investigation
- Scoundreller 4y agoEspecially when you’re in California and Mexico is next door. You can just drive there. Which helps the story that it wasn’t an escape plan because they couldn’t be that stupid, could they?
- rockostrich 4y agoYou might be banned from flying that airline again if you don't get on the flight back without letting them know with a valid reason. Of course that's probably the least of your worries if you're fleeing your own country because of fraud.
- scotty79 4y agoSeriously? That's Orwellian.
- bloodyplonker22 4y agoAirlines also do it to prevent people from "gaming" the system. People buy multi leg tickets and miss parts of the flights purposely in order to get higher airline status and points, or just to get to one city cheaper. Sometimes, they take roundtrip flights on the same day back and forth to gain points and airline flyer club status.
- annoyingnoob 4y ago> Holmes’ partner, William Evans, also bought a one-way ticket “and did not return until approximately six weeks later, returning from a different continent,” prosecutors said. Did she buy the ticket herself or did someone book a trip and buy tickets for her/in her name? I don't support her but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. The one ticket sounds bad, but a series of tickets with eventual return does not.
- readthenotes1 4y ago"willing to give her the benefit of the doubt" That was her business model wasn't it?
- smcl 4y agoThat and posing for photos of her holding up a vial of blood and peering thoughtfully into it
- AnEro 4y agoAt this point does it matter that we are left with the assumption that the 'I'm not worried I'm too pretty go to jail' (paraphrasing) dude also tried to flee conviction
- heywhatupboys 4y ago[flagged]
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y agoI'm pretty sure they were not making a joke and were instead referring to the time she said, "They don't put pretty people like me in jail." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33661969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33661969
- AnEro 4y agoShe actually said that or something like it, hence the paraphrasing warning. Also still I stand by my point outside of her own comments on her appearance, with everything we know so far. That was the only comment off the top of my head that she made could relate about playing the system
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- ptero 4y agoShe could have bought the next day round trip ticket (which would still be stupid, but at least not as much). She could have flown to San Diego and drove over (and flew local airlines to some rural spot, preferably in a country with no extradition treaty). This is pretty ridiculous.
- paxys 4y agoNot sure what the ridiculous part is? The prosecution is trying to argue that she is a flight risk. Her own behavior has made that pretty obvious.
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- ptero 4y agoMy point is that in her situation disappearing was pretty easy. Buying a one-way ticket to Mexico 20 days out is as stupid as one can do, because now she will be labeled as a flight risk, making disappearance a lot harder.
- paulpauper 4y agothese people are not exactly criminal masterminds. same for the FTX guy
- notch656c 4y agoFTX guy literally owned by proxy rights to a yacht. I seriously don't get why he didn't flee the island as soon as he knew the jig was up.
- smegger001 4y agobecause then the US coast guard would grab him, and he didn't figure that the Bahaman authorities would do anything
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- wl 4y agoHolmes' explanation: > [T]his was a reservation that was made before the verdict. The hope was that the verdict would be different and Ms. Holmes would be able to make this trip to attend the wedding of close friends in Mexico. Given the verdict, she does not plan to take the trip — and therefore did not provide notice, seek permission, or request access to her passport (which the government has) for the trip. But she also had not yet cancelled the trip, amidst everything that has been going on. We will have her do so promptly and will provide you confirmation of that tomorrow. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.327949/gov.uscourts.cand.327949.1721.2.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.32...
- freitasm 4y agoA single-way ticket. Nah.
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- radicaldreamer 4y agoYou don't need a passport to board a flight to Mexico... passport numbers are enough from an airline perspective. You might have some trouble getting out of the airport, but then again, running out of an emergency exit with pre-planned outside help, you'd probably be free and on the run for a while.
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- steven_noble 4y agoI read the whole article and most of the comments and I could not see any mention of whose bail money she was presumably willing to set on fire. I’m picturing mummy and daddy being turfed out of a palatial home by the sherif, all while stoically defending their daughter, but some actual facts would be nice.
- paxys 4y agoHer husband is heir to a luxury hotel chain. Safe to say that they have the money.
- paulpauper 4y agoNot too smart huh. All tickets are tracked and recorded.
- cactusplant7374 4y agoTangentially related: I’ve only once had airline staff question a one way ticket at the airport. The power of the US passport.